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Patek Philippe · 10 July 2016, 09:37 AM

Recently I have been tempting by the beauty of The great nautilus 5712 blue dial. So I put my name on the waiting list at the AD in Bangkok about 3 weeks ago.

I was called this morning about the incoming of the beautiful 5712.

But....the thing is I was told (kind of being forced) to buy the 5712 together with the Hublot Classic fusion which I have never had my eyes on the model and the brand. If I do not agree on the offer, 5712 would be offered to the other customers.

Just curious, as I never have an experience buying Nautilus with an Ad. Is this a normal procedure for an AD to deal with such a rare and hot item like a Nautilus? Has anyone experience the same situation?

Should I go for it or pass this beauty because I don't like being forced to buy another watch that I am not interested?

PS.. the price I was offered was the full list price, no discount, or whatsoever that makes me feel a little better about the deal.

Appreciate all your readings.

Toony · 10 July 2016, 09:45 AM

Tell them no thanks. You are agreeing to be robbed if you take the "deal".

watchucallit · 10 July 2016, 09:45 AM

That sounds crazy.... I think they may have you by the balls though if there is such a waiting list in Thailand. You could threaten never to buy from them again and/or to report them to Patek.. as I am sure they would not be happy hearing about this. Perhaps you can record the conversation if they try to deny

Jareddad · 10 July 2016, 09:54 AM

This is called extortion! I wouldn't do it, but I have no idea how difficult it is to get a 5712.

~JJ · 10 July 2016, 09:57 AM

Why would you allow an AD to strong arm you like this? 100% take a pass... You can walk into an AD and purchase a 5712 without pressure in the U.S. A short vacation to the U.S. would be much cheaper and a fun trip to remember!

Socal to az · 10 July 2016, 09:58 AM

For gods sake a hublot? I mean anything but a hublot!!!��

RussW · 10 July 2016, 10:02 AM

It's not a package deal, if they won't sell you the 5712 only then walk away.

slashd0t · 10 July 2016, 10:05 AM

This is an AD I'd have no issue with reporting to Patek.. This is outright extortion and I suspect that Patek wouldn't be thrilled to know that an authorized retailer of theirs is forcing their customers to buy competing brands as a package deal with their watches.

Disgusting behaviour... REPORT IT.

ansharma · 10 July 2016, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slashd0t

This is an AD I'd have no issue with reporting to Patek.. This is outright extortion and I suspect that Patek wouldn't be thrilled to know that an authorized retailer of theirs is forcing their customers to buy competing brands as a package deal with their watches.

Disgusting behaviour... REPORT IT.

Agreed - They don't deserve your or anyone else's business if this is how they are acting.

codecow · 10 July 2016, 10:20 AM

You'd be way better off using the money on plane tickets to buy it somewhere else.

Patek Philippe · 10 July 2016, 10:22 AM

Appreciate all the comments. PP5712 has become quite rare at the moment in Thailand.

I hope I could have a better experience buying Patek 5712 from AD elsewhere.

daytonaTBR · 10 July 2016, 10:36 AM

PASS. Not worth it since you'd be losing a lot buying a watch that you don't want and has terrible depreciation. Literally extortion. Try your luck at overseas ads perhaps? Or just buy from a trusted seller

Tony64 · 10 July 2016, 11:02 AM

Simple. Take the deal and then return the Hublot (unopened of course) for a full refund.

PJ S · 10 July 2016, 11:14 AM

^
Unless Thailand has consumer law covering 'change of mind' purchases, the dealer would be under no obligation to do so.
Playing them at their own game would involve nothing more than agreeing to do it on two separate transactions/credit cards.
Make sure the Patek is done first, then decide not to bother with the other one.

superstarmar · 10 July 2016, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patek Philippe

Appreciate all the comments. PP5712 has become quite rare at the moment in Thailand.

I hope I could have a better experience buying Patek 5712 from AD elsewhere.

Don't do it !!!
Go elsewhere and get what u want ...
Not what is being forced on you in a
so called unethical package deal !!!
Report to Patek as soon as possible ... This is
not acceptable under any circumstance ....

Samui · 10 July 2016, 11:37 AM

This is ridiculous. And this coming from an AD is unacceptable.

Finkalot · 10 July 2016, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patek Philippe

Appreciate all the comments. PP5712 has become quite rare at the moment in Thailand.

I hope I could have a better experience buying Patek 5712 from AD elsewhere.

Absolutely ridiculous. I would never agree to such a purchase, and definitely report them to Patek.

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Tony64 · 10 July 2016, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PJ S

^
Unless Thailand has consumer law covering 'change of mind' purchases, the dealer would be under no obligation to do so.
Playing them at their own game would involve nothing more than agreeing to do it on two separate transactions/credit cards.
Make sure the Patek is done first, then decide not to bother with the other one.

Ah, I see know. I didn't realize that Thailand had such limited consumer protection laws.

I would pass on the deal completely in that case. Actually feel kind of sorry for Hublot though, if the only way to sell their watches is using this method.

KarlS · 10 July 2016, 12:07 PM

Tell them if they don't sell you the 5712 at a 10% discount you are reporting them to PP for conditional selling!

subtona · 10 July 2016, 12:22 PM

I would not buy a Hublot and I would no longer deal with that AD for even suggesting it

I have been offered 5712 on several occasions without trying.

mps354 · 10 July 2016, 01:21 PM

I agree with others, this is absurd

Royalex · 10 July 2016, 01:22 PM

Have you tried the PP boutique at Siam Paragon yet?

conkers · 10 July 2016, 01:30 PM

Outrageous. I would definitely tell them you will report them to PP and at least give them a chance to change their stance. But as others have mentioned Thailand is a terrible place to buy PP from a pricing standpoint anyway so I would fly elsewhere.

jon_jon · 10 July 2016, 01:32 PM

I would try to buy the 5712 separately without being part of a package.

I would visit all the Patek ADs in Bangkok and ask for 5712 availability. I believe in paying a personal visit to the ADs if you are a local customer.

Then I would contact and check with ADs in SG, KL, Jakarta, etc.

tinygears · 10 July 2016, 02:16 PM

Reported to Patek with this link.

The AD should be playing with Hublots, not Pateks.

Best if they close their doors.

tg

Dancing Fire · 10 July 2016, 04:14 PM

Do the deal if they agree to throw in the Hublot for FREE! , if not then give them the middle finger...

lapince · 10 July 2016, 04:34 PM

Tell them to F... OFF, this is extortion, never heard of such practices, I would tell them " I am about to write to Patek in Switzerland to tell ask them if it is normal that in order to buy a Patek I need to buy a Hublot I don't want with it ?" It should change the situation in a half of a second as I do believe they would loose their accreditation by doing what they are trying to do, really first say no and second tell them, if that doesn't do anything than do write Patek, this is unacceptable!!! In any case REPORT IT, they are a Patek AD or mafia???

Robrob777 · 10 July 2016, 04:41 PM

It is common practice, this case was a hublot, sometimes an expensive piece of jewelry, sometimes another more not desirable patek. It is common but it is wrong.

lapince · 10 July 2016, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robrob777

It is common practice, this case was a hublot, sometimes an expensive piece of jewelry, sometimes another more not desirable patek. It is common but it is wrong.

You're kidding? Never heard of anything like this before, seems others here haven't as well, it's called extortion, plain and simple, pretty sure it's against the law in most countries, and very sure Patek wouldn't be happy AT ALL about it...

RUK · 10 July 2016, 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patek Philippe

Recently I have been tempting by the beauty of The great nautilus 5712 blue dial. So I put my name on the waiting list at the AD in Bangkok about 3 weeks ago.

I was called this morning about the incoming of the beautiful 5712.

But....the thing is I was told (kind of being forced) to buy the 5712 together with the Hublot Classic fusion which I have never had my eyes on the model and the brand. If I do not agree on the offer, 5712 would be offered to the other customers.

Just curious, as I never have an experience buying Nautilus with an Ad. Is this a normal procedure for an AD to deal with such a rare and hot item like a Nautilus? Has anyone experience the same situation?

Should I go for it or pass this beauty because I don't like being forced to buy another watch that I am not interested?

PS.. the price I was offered was the full list price, no discount, or whatsoever that makes me feel a little better about the deal.

Appreciate all your readings.

Say nothing, email and call Patek customer care and request that the watch that was ordered for you be sold to you.. wait till the AD calls you back.

If you don't get it you don't get it. The AD doesn't deserve your business.

Its also disgraceful that bad for Hublot that the AD has to extort people to see Hublots.. i would also email the LVMH group to update them of the situation.

Only negative is that the AD will lose Patek and Hublot

10 July 2016, 09:37 AM	#1
Patek Philippe "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Thailand Posts: 179	Offered by the Authorised Dealer Recently I have been tempting by the beauty of The great nautilus 5712 blue dial. So I put my name on the waiting list at the AD in Bangkok about 3 weeks ago. I was called this morning about the incoming of the beautiful 5712. But....the thing is I was told (kind of being forced) to buy the 5712 together with the Hublot Classic fusion which I have never had my eyes on the model and the brand. If I do not agree on the offer, 5712 would be offered to the other customers. Just curious, as I never have an experience buying Nautilus with an Ad. Is this a normal procedure for an AD to deal with such a rare and hot item like a Nautilus? Has anyone experience the same situation? Should I go for it or pass this beauty because I don't like being forced to buy another watch that I am not interested? PS.. the price I was offered was the full list price, no discount, or whatsoever that makes me feel a little better about the deal. Appreciate all your readings. Last edited by Patek Philippe; 10 July 2016 at 09:37 AM.. Reason: Typo

10 July 2016, 10:05 AM	#8
slashd0t "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Real Name: Jamie Location: Edmonton, AB Watch: This & That Posts: 771	This is an AD I'd have no issue with reporting to Patek.. This is outright extortion and I suspect that Patek wouldn't be thrilled to know that an authorized retailer of theirs is forcing their customers to buy competing brands as a package deal with their watches. Disgusting behaviour... REPORT IT. __________________ /.

10 July 2016, 12:22 PM	#20
subtona 2025 TitaniumYM Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: gus Location: East Coast Watch: APK & sometimes Y Posts: 26,761	I would not buy a Hublot and I would no longer deal with that AD for even suggesting it I have been offered 5712 on several occasions without trying. __________________

10 July 2016, 09:45 AM	#2
Toony "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Real Name: Tony Location: Gatchaman Posts: 1,880	Tell them no thanks. You are agreeing to be robbed if you take the "deal".

10 July 2016, 09:45 AM	#3
watchucallit "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: San Fran Posts: 2,218	That sounds crazy.... I think they may have you by the balls though if there is such a waiting list in Thailand. You could threaten never to buy from them again and/or to report them to Patek.. as I am sure they would not be happy hearing about this. Perhaps you can record the conversation if they try to deny

10 July 2016, 09:54 AM	#4
Jareddad "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 326	This is called extortion! I wouldn't do it, but I have no idea how difficult it is to get a 5712.

10 July 2016, 09:57 AM	#5
~JJ "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Chicago Watch: explorer Posts: 2,330	Why would you allow an AD to strong arm you like this? 100% take a pass... You can walk into an AD and purchase a 5712 without pressure in the U.S. A short vacation to the U.S. would be much cheaper and a fun trip to remember!

10 July 2016, 09:58 AM	#6
Socal to az Banned Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Arizona Posts: 791	For gods sake a hublot? I mean anything but a hublot!!!��

10 July 2016, 10:02 AM	#7
RussW "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: England Watch: 5990 Posts: 3,351	It's not a package deal, if they won't sell you the 5712 only then walk away.

10 July 2016, 10:20 AM	#10
codecow 2025 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Louis Location: Bay Area, CA Watch: Le Mans Posts: 5,463	You'd be way better off using the money on plane tickets to buy it somewhere else.

10 July 2016, 10:22 AM	#11
Patek Philippe "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Thailand Posts: 179	Appreciate all the comments. PP5712 has become quite rare at the moment in Thailand. I hope I could have a better experience buying Patek 5712 from AD elsewhere.

10 July 2016, 10:36 AM	#12
daytonaTBR "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: N/A Posts: 1,466	PASS. Not worth it since you'd be losing a lot buying a watch that you don't want and has terrible depreciation. Literally extortion. Try your luck at overseas ads perhaps? Or just buy from a trusted seller

10 July 2016, 11:02 AM	#13
Tony64 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 2,796	Simple. Take the deal and then return the Hublot (unopened of course) for a full refund.

10 July 2016, 11:14 AM	#14
PJ S Banned Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: UK Posts: 3,990	^ Unless Thailand has consumer law covering 'change of mind' purchases, the dealer would be under no obligation to do so. Playing them at their own game would involve nothing more than agreeing to do it on two separate transactions/credit cards. Make sure the Patek is done first, then decide not to bother with the other one.

10 July 2016, 11:37 AM	#16
Samui Banned Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Tokyo Posts: 611	This is ridiculous. And this coming from an AD is unacceptable.

10 July 2016, 12:07 PM	#19
KarlS Banned Join Date: Nov 2015 Real Name: Karl Location: Kuwait Posts: 5,228	Tell them if they don't sell you the 5712 at a 10% discount you are reporting them to PP for conditional selling!

10 July 2016, 01:21 PM	#21
mps354 2025 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Real Name: Mike Location: CT Posts: 9,147	I agree with others, this is absurd

10 July 2016, 01:22 PM	#22
Royalex "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Bangkok Posts: 762	Have you tried the PP boutique at Siam Paragon yet?

10 July 2016, 01:30 PM	#23
conkers "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Roger Location: Hong Kong Watch: Too many! Posts: 6,134	Outrageous. I would definitely tell them you will report them to PP and at least give them a chance to change their stance. But as others have mentioned Thailand is a terrible place to buy PP from a pricing standpoint anyway so I would fly elsewhere.

10 July 2016, 01:32 PM	#24
jon_jon "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: USA Posts: 4,364	I would try to buy the 5712 separately without being part of a package. I would visit all the Patek ADs in Bangkok and ask for 5712 availability. I believe in paying a personal visit to the ADs if you are a local customer. Then I would contact and check with ADs in SG, KL, Jakarta, etc.

10 July 2016, 02:16 PM	#25
tinygears "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: LA Posts: 140	Reported to Patek with this link. The AD should be playing with Hublots, not Pateks. Best if they close their doors. tg

10 July 2016, 04:14 PM	#26
Dancing Fire "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Ca. Posts: 278	Do the deal if they agree to throw in the Hublot for FREE! , if not then give them the middle finger...

10 July 2016, 04:34 PM	#27
lapince "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Mars Watch: 5712 Posts: 11,509	Tell them to F... OFF, this is extortion, never heard of such practices, I would tell them " I am about to write to Patek in Switzerland to tell ask them if it is normal that in order to buy a Patek I need to buy a Hublot I don't want with it ?" It should change the situation in a half of a second as I do believe they would loose their accreditation by doing what they are trying to do, really first say no and second tell them, if that doesn't do anything than do write Patek, this is unacceptable!!! In any case REPORT IT, they are a Patek AD or mafia???

10 July 2016, 04:41 PM	#28
Robrob777 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: WA Posts: 272	It is common practice, this case was a hublot, sometimes an expensive piece of jewelry, sometimes another more not desirable patek. It is common but it is wrong.

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