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Old 16 October 2016, 02:36 AM   #1
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Which came first, "Pepsi" or "Coke"

Please help. Which color bezel was the original GMT.

It's often stated that the red/blue was the original and designed by PanAm. My understanding of the history of the GMT is slightly different. I have heard and believed the original GMT was a based on the Turn O Graph, and had a black/red bezel. Followed by early adoption by PanAm then they requested the blue/red bezel.

Thanks for any help, I'm just trying to figure out the real history. Google didn't help much.
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Old 16 October 2016, 05:12 AM   #2
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Pepsi, the 6542 "Pussy Galore" released in 1954. The link below also shows pics of an all black version.

http://www.gmtmasterhistory.com/

According to the website the Coke didn't come out until the 16760 Fat Lady in 1983.
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Old 16 October 2016, 05:42 AM   #3
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Pepsi by a long shot. Like 30+ years.
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Old 16 October 2016, 06:07 AM   #4
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OK, thank you.

So pictures of older 6542s that appear to have black/red bezels are really pepsis with a darker faded blue?

I'm not a vintage guy, just trying to sort it out.
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Old 16 October 2016, 06:52 AM   #5
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OK, thank you.

So pictures of older 6542s that appear to have black/red bezels are really pepsis with a darker faded blue?

I'm not a vintage guy, just trying to sort it out.
Not really sure but gmtmasterhistory does mention the coke bezel introduced on the Fat Lady was a new combination at that time.
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It's often stated that the red/blue was the original and designed by PanAm. My understanding of the history of the GMT is slightly different. I have heard and believed the original GMT was a based on the Turn O Graph, and had a black/red bezel. Followed by early adoption by PanAm then they requested the blue/red bezel.
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The original GMT was based on the Turn O Graph, as was the original Sub.

GMT bezel inserts were always blue/red until the early 70's when the black insert was introduced. GMT Masters were never black/red.

The black/red was introduced in the 80's with the GMT II 16760, and so you could say that the GMT Master was originally blue/red and the GMT II was originally black/red.
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Old 16 October 2016, 09:43 AM   #7
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OK, thank you.

So pictures of older 6542s that appear to have black/red bezels are really pepsis with a darker faded blue?

I'm not a vintage guy, just trying to sort it out.
The original bezels were bakelite and the blue was a dark hue. In many pictures the lighting makes the dark blue appear black.
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Old 17 October 2016, 12:42 AM   #8
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The original bezels were bakelite and the blue was a dark hue. In many pictures the lighting makes the dark blue appear black.
Cool, thank you.
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Old 17 October 2016, 12:43 AM   #9
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I've got it all sorted now, thanks all.
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