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Art161 · 6 September 2008, 08:05 AM

I kid you not. I was reading a Rolex ad (Road & Track magazine, October 2008), which explains how Rolex inscribes its scratch-proof ceramic bezel. Part of the process is "through cathodic magnetron sputtering."

I am sure this is of great comfort to those of you who have the ceramic bezel, and will encourage those of you who have the "old" bezel to immediately acquire a watch with the ceramic one.

TheVTCGuy · 6 September 2008, 08:53 AM

"through cathodic magnetron sputtering."

I had to go see the doctor when that happened to me....

NDT III · 6 September 2008, 09:27 AM

What? Do you guys think that might be a p pr pro pro blem? I d d d...............o................................. ....................................

Art161 · 6 September 2008, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

"through cathodic magnetron sputtering."

I had to go see the doctor when that happened to me....

I hope that everything came out okay in the end.

Tools · 6 September 2008, 10:01 AM

Sometimes old folks do that at the restaurant..

I just cover my food with the napkin until it's safe..

astcell · 6 September 2008, 10:08 AM

I knew Rolex was an old watch but geeze....

Art161 · 6 September 2008, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Tools

Sometimes old folks do that at the restaurant..

I just cover my food with the napkin until it's safe..

All hope is lost.

I thought if anyone here could explain the process, it would be Larry.

One definition of sputtering in my dictionary is to dislodge (atoms) from the surface of a material by collision with high energy particles; also to deposit a (metallic film) by such a process.

Maybe I'll drop into a local AD with the magazine advertisement and try to get an explanation that describes the process in more detail.

astcell · 6 September 2008, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Art161

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One definition of sputtering in my dictionary is to dislodge (atoms) from the surface of a material by collision with high energy particles;...:

Sounds like big words for "hit it with a hammer."

Art161 · 6 September 2008, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by astcell

Sounds like big words for "hit it with a hammer."

Tools · 6 September 2008, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Art161

All hope is lost.

I thought if anyone here could explain the process, it would be Larry.

l:

Well, last year I did write a short post on sputter deposition of the platinum and gold used on the ceramic bezels.....but nobody understood it.........

Here is the Wiki version:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sputter_deposition

And here is a nice Theory of Magnetron Sputtering

http://uk.geocities.com/pvd_coatings/theory.htm

Art161 · 6 September 2008, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Tools

Well, last year I did write a short post on sputter deposition of the platinum and gold used on the ceramic bezels.....but nobody understood it.........

Here is the Wiki version:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sputter_deposition

And here is a nice Theory of Magnetron Sputtering

http://uk.geocities.com/pvd_coatings/theory.htm

Thanks, Larry. The Rolex advertisement doesn't say whether or not they use an unbalanced magnetron, which apparently is better in some applications than a regular magnetron. I don't know why Rolex calls it cathodic, but I guess it has something to do with the electron charge. I guess an anode/cathode type of thing. Anyway, I have found out all I want to know about it for now. You saved me a trip to the AD.

Leighton · 6 September 2008, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

"through cathodic magnetron sputtering."

I had to go see the doctor when that happened to me....

Yeah, my urologist tried to pass that diagnosis on me the other day. I told him he should be working in marketing.

Z-Sub · 6 September 2008, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Leighton

Yeah, my urologist tried to pass that diagnosis on me the other day. I told him he should be working in marketing.

That was you?

Leighton · 6 September 2008, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Z-Sub

That was you?

Guilty as charged!

So tell me Doc, why did you prescribe a month of Cipro?

TheVTCGuy · 6 September 2008, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Leighton

Guilty as charged!

So tell me Doc, why did you prescribe a month of Cipro?

And Doc, WHY only a TWO WEEK Perscription for me? My Cathodic Magnetronic must have been sputtering worse then Leighton's

padi56 · 6 September 2008, 08:47 PM

Cathodic magnetron sputtering sounds good, big words to impress you but just Rolex speak for boswellocks IMHO.

swatty · 6 September 2008, 08:59 PM

I hope it means that the Platinum won't fall out .

airhkg · 6 September 2008, 10:15 PM

Sounds like more pure marketing B.S. and no don't like the ceramic bezel. If they make one that has a more matte (less shiny) finish I will bite but, not until then

Art161 · 7 September 2008, 04:33 AM

Now that we have the technical aspects taken care of (at least enough for me), how about one of you creative types posting a cartoon showing a little old watchmaker at Rolex doing the cathodic magnetron sputtering?

Jimbits76 · 7 September 2008, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Tools

Well, last year I did write a short post on sputter deposition of the platinum and gold used on the ceramic bezels.....but nobody understood it.........

Here is the Wiki version:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sputter_deposition

And here is a nice Theory of Magnetron Sputtering

http://uk.geocities.com/pvd_coatings/theory.htm

Hey I understood it. Atom bombardment, like when I flick peas off my dinner plate at my wife!!!!!!

J

Art161 · 7 September 2008, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbits76

Hey I understood it. Atom bombardment, like when I flick peas off my dinner plate at my wife!!!!!!

J

Jim, I'm not sure, but I think you have to displace one of her peas with your pea. In any event, peas on earth. Sure hope my spelling is okay today.

Tools · 7 September 2008, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Art161

Jim, I'm not sure, but I think you have to displace one of her peas with your pea. In any event, peas on earth. Sure hope my spelling is okay today.

I think he's speaking of "Whirled Peas", which is a different process..

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Art161 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Art Location: San Francisco Watch: Sundial Posts: 2,266	Now that we have the technical aspects taken care of (at least enough for me), how about one of you creative types posting a cartoon showing a little old watchmaker at Rolex doing the cathodic magnetron sputtering? __________________ Rolex SS Oyster Perpetual no date, TT Datejust Member #13992 HM Power to the Superlative Panda, officially certified! HMPanda eats, shoots and leaves. Rolexers do it with perpetual movements.

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TheVTCGuy Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Paul Location: San Diego Watch: 126619LB Posts: 21,540	"through cathodic magnetron sputtering." I had to go see the doctor when that happened to me....

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NDT III "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: David Location: Texas (mostly) Watch: GMT IIc Posts: 30	What? Do you guys think that might be a p pr pro pro blem? I d d d...............o................................. ....................................

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swatty 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Peter Location: Sydney Watch: The Game Posts: 17,415	I hope it means that the Platinum won't fall out .

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airhkg Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Hong Kong Watch: Sub, SMP GMT Co-Ax Posts: 193	Sounds like more pure marketing B.S. and no don't like the ceramic bezel. If they make one that has a more matte (less shiny) finish I will bite but, not until then

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