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lenlec · 24 November 2016, 03:32 AM

I'm going to try the 5712 on Saturday and can buyit if I like it
The dealer said they have had a 5990 in today and I can have that if I want
I'm new to the 5990. Is it a nice piece to own and will it hold value ?
Cheers Andy

RUK · 24 November 2016, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by lenlec

I'm going to try the 5712 on Saturday and can but it if I like it
The dealer said they have had a 5990 in today and I can have that if I want
I'm new to the 5990. Is it a nice piece to own and will it hold value ?
Cheers Andy

It's a nice watch in pictures but over sized in reality.the bezel is almost unnecessarily large and the thickness put me off it .
The 5712 is much closer to the original and has a complications that can be used everyday.Its also thin and muck more elegant than the 5990.

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KarlS · 24 November 2016, 03:54 AM

I found it too big for me!

JorgeCCW · 24 November 2016, 04:16 AM

I love the reference 5712, I had the 1a and now I have the R. As far as the 5990 for me its strenght in its the size and weight, the dial the turn off.

rdragon · 24 November 2016, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by RUK

It's a nice watch in pictures but over sized in reality.the bezel is almost unnecessarily large and the thickness put me off it .
The 5712 is much closer to the original and has a complications that can be used everyday.Its also thin and muck more elegant than the 5990.

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How do you use moonphase everyday? Maybe referring to PR?

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Originally Posted by KarlS

I found it too big for me!

What size is your wrist? Doesn't look bad on you at all.

For those that own the 5990, has the 60 min chrono ever been an issue? I liked this when I saw one, but wasn't sure about functionality of chrono.

RussW · 24 November 2016, 04:44 AM

I think the 5990 is amazing and would get that instead of the 5712. It is thicker than the 5712, but I wouldn't let that put you off. The bezel is slimmer (from inside edge to outside edge) than the 5712, which allows the dial to be bigger.

I personally think the 5990 has more useful complications. If you wear the 5712 every day there is no need for the power reserve indicator as it will always be wound, and if you only wear it occasionally it will need winding when you pick it up.

AK797 · 24 November 2016, 04:45 AM

Not a fan of the dial layout.

rdragon · 24 November 2016, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by RussW

I think the 5990 is amazing and would get that instead of the 5712. It is thicker than the 5712, but I wouldn't let that put you off. The bezel is slimmer (from inside edge to outside edge) of the 5712, which allows the dial to be bigger.

I personally think the 5990 has more useful complications. If you wear the 5712 every day there is no need for the power reserve indicator as it will always be wound, and if you only wear it occasionally it will need winding when you pick it up.

I thought it was amazing too. Much better in person than in pictures. I know you tried on a lot of models recently and that the 5370 was your favorite. Since you have the 5980, if you had the choice at the time between 5980 and 5990, what would you get?

RussW · 24 November 2016, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by rdragon

I thought it was amazing too. Much better in person than in pictures. I know you tried on a lot of models recently and that the 5370 was your favorite. Since you have the 5980, if you had the choice at the time between 5980 and 5990, what would you get?

I would have got the 5990. The 5990 only has a 1 hour chrono, but I find the chrono of the 5980 hard to read. The 5990 is clearer and more intuitive. I also prefer that the dial of the 5990 is slightly larger, as well as a few other minor reasons.

rdragon · 24 November 2016, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by RussW

I would have got the 5990. The 5990 only has a 1 hour chrono, but I find the chrono of the 5980 hard to read. The 5990 is clearer and more intuitive. I also prefer that the dial of the 5990 is slightly larger, as well as a few other minor reasons.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I was not aware 5980 chrono was a bit hard to read.

RussW · 24 November 2016, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by rdragon

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I was not aware 5980 chrono was a bit hard to read.

Could just be me of course

lapince · 24 November 2016, 05:17 AM

Won't clearly keep value as a 5711 or 5712, I don't like it but if you do why not, but the 5712 is much nicer IMO

lapince · 24 November 2016, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by rdragon

How do you use moonphase everyday? Maybe referring to PR?

What size is your wrist? Doesn't look bad on you at all.

For those that own the 5990, has the 60 min chrono ever been an issue? I liked this when I saw one, but wasn't sure about functionality of chrono.

Well you look at the MP everyday and the PR is useful as well, I had a few chronos and apart from timing eggs or pasta no use, also had a GMT, useful if you travel a lot, I didn't find it very useful to be honest

texex91 · 24 November 2016, 05:22 AM

Depends on what he sells it to you for...

I like/had the 5990--great watch IMHO.

rdragon · 24 November 2016, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by lapince

Won't clearly keep value as a 5711 or 5712, I don't like it but if you do why not, but the 5712 is much nicer IMO

Curious what makes you think this way? Is it due to lack of premium it commands as the 11 and 12 did?

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Originally Posted by lapince

Well you look at the MP everyday and the PR is useful as well, I had a few chronos and apart from timing eggs or pasta no use, also had a GMT, useful if you travel a lot, I didn't find it very useful to be honest

Yes, I find PR surprisingly useful.

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Originally Posted by texex91

Depends on what he sells it to you for...

I like/had the 5990--great watch IMHO.

Paul - Did you move mainly to enjoy something else or due to something you didn't like about the watch?

martinr · 24 November 2016, 05:55 AM

I like the 5990 chrono, one hour is enough and it's easy to read, unlike the 5980. They're hard to find in a the USA and you won't get much of a discount, the price seems to hold at least as well as the ubiquitous 5712. Travel time complication is more useful than the moonphase unless you're a biodynamic farmer. I've sold all my Nautilus but would get the 5990 if I got another one.

texex91 · 24 November 2016, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by rdragon

Paul - Did you move mainly to enjoy something else or due to something you didn't like about the watch?

No I just constantly chasing shiny new things. Really loved the 5990--much more presence than 5711 or 5712 which I like.

Can't go wrong with it!

rdragon · 24 November 2016, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by texex91

No I just constantly chasing shiny new things. Really loved the 5990--much more presence than 5711 or 5712 which I like.

Can't go wrong with it!

:) thanks..

jon_jon · 24 November 2016, 09:08 AM

The 5712 and the 5990 are quite different watches and sit differently on the wrist. It is almost like comparing the 5711 and the 5980.

When considering a watch based on future re-sale value, no one knows what the supply/demand ratio for a specific watch will be in 5 or 10 years. Having said that the production numbers for the 5990 is probably smaller than the 5712. But because of the higher price point, there are fewer potential customers for the 5990 compared to a 5712 if you decide to resell the watch.

At the end of the day, it is always best to get the watch you will enjoy wearing, rather than worrying if you will lose money if you decide to sell it in a few years. IMO that takes the joy out of watch ownership and lead to worries about market fluctuation.

rdragon · 24 November 2016, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by jon_jon

The 5712 and the 5990 are quite different watches and sit differently on the wrist. It is almost like comparing the 5711 and the 5980.

When considering a watch based on future re-sale value, no one knows what the supply/demand ratio for a specific watch will be in 5 or 10 years. Having said that the production numbers for the 5990 is probably smaller than the 5712. But because of the higher price point, there are fewer potential customers for the 5990 compared to a 5712 if you decide to resell the watch.

At the end of the day, it is always best to get the watch you will enjoy wearing, rather than worrying if you will lose money if you decide to sell it in a few years. IMO that takes the joy out of watch ownership and lead to worries about market fluctuation.

Well said.

Speaking of values...what was list for 5980 in US when it was released?

cervantes · 24 November 2016, 11:27 AM

It hasn't been as well received as the 5980.

hbk25 · 24 November 2016, 11:40 AM

I personally find chronograph & gmt complications far more useful than the state of the moon or how much longer my watch can sit off my wrist.

Also 120 m of water resistance (5990) gives me a lot more piece of mind than 60 m (5712).

But the movement's prettier on the 5712 with its micro rotor & unencumbered view.

martinr · 24 November 2016, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by rdragon

Well said.

Speaking of values...what was list for 5980 in US when it was released?

They were $51,000 retail in all three flavors, that was the last price

rdragon · 24 November 2016, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by martinr

They were $51,000 retail in all three flavors, that was the last price

Thanks.

Assuming supply/demand is similar to 5980 and no major dis/inflationary environment and major macro events...10 years from now, it should hold relatively stable (5980, 10 years after release and several years after being discontinued seems to be at ~80-85% of original value).

Bit of a headache trying to consider all that. Plus, if you can predict all those variables, you can make money trading anything. As many have regularly said, buy what you enjoy and what brings a smile to your face. Any major increase (if it even happens), will most likely be realized by the next generation (if you pass it down).

watchucallit · 24 November 2016, 01:04 PM

I own both the 5712 and 5990 and if i only could chose 1-- 5990. Much more useful. I like a PR indicator but the moon phase takes time to set (not a daily wearer of one watch). I travel a fair bit so the 5990 is easy to set the second time zone. It is a little larger on the wrist but much smaller than most chronos and even with my small 6.4 inch wrist-- fits really well

masyv6 · 24 November 2016, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by AK797

Not a fan of the dial layout.

x2

Tony@KopiGau · 24 November 2016, 01:56 PM

I would just go for 5990 because you may soon find youself in a situation looking for 5990 after getting the 5712/1A. This model sells well despite many criticise its price and busy dial. Value will hold imho. Wish you get your piece soon!

scrappy · 24 November 2016, 02:07 PM

5990 without hesitation

jc-watch · 24 November 2016, 02:14 PM

I travel a bit, and for me the 5990 is the perfect travel watch with the chrono and travel time complications. Very under the radar and works in casual as well as business attire with its charcoal face. The symmetry of of the dial is also perfect IMHO.

Vipes · 24 November 2016, 11:53 PM

I wasn't a fan of the 5990 until I saw it in person. Looks better than the 5980, IMO. I would pick the 5712 due to the slim case and the blue dial. I think Patek makes the best looking blue dial.

24 November 2016, 03:32 AM	#1
lenlec "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: uk, Posts: 32	5990 I'm going to try the 5712 on Saturday and can buyit if I like it The dealer said they have had a 5990 in today and I can have that if I want I'm new to the 5990. Is it a nice piece to own and will it hold value ? Cheers Andy

24 November 2016, 04:16 AM	#4
JorgeCCW "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Jorge Location: Ohio, USA Watch: Rolex,Patek and AP Posts: 4,707	I love the reference 5712, I had the 1a and now I have the R. As far as the 5990 for me its strenght in its the size and weight, the dial the turn off. __________________ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Nothing happens until something moves " Albert Einstein

24 November 2016, 04:44 AM	#6
RussW "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: England Watch: 5990 Posts: 3,350	I think the 5990 is amazing and would get that instead of the 5712. It is thicker than the 5712, but I wouldn't let that put you off. The bezel is slimmer (from inside edge to outside edge) than the 5712, which allows the dial to be bigger. I personally think the 5990 has more useful complications. If you wear the 5712 every day there is no need for the power reserve indicator as it will always be wound, and if you only wear it occasionally it will need winding when you pick it up.

24 November 2016, 04:45 AM	#7
AK797 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,368	Not a fan of the dial layout.

24 November 2016, 05:17 AM	#12
lapince "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Mars Watch: 5712 Posts: 11,509	Won't clearly keep value as a 5711 or 5712, I don't like it but if you do why not, but the 5712 is much nicer IMO

24 November 2016, 05:22 AM	#14
texex91 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: . Posts: 17,898	Depends on what he sells it to you for... I like/had the 5990--great watch IMHO.

24 November 2016, 05:55 AM	#16
martinr "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: California Posts: 3,106	I like the 5990 chrono, one hour is enough and it's easy to read, unlike the 5980. They're hard to find in a the USA and you won't get much of a discount, the price seems to hold at least as well as the ubiquitous 5712. Travel time complication is more useful than the moonphase unless you're a biodynamic farmer. I've sold all my Nautilus but would get the 5990 if I got another one.

24 November 2016, 09:08 AM	#19
jon_jon "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: USA Posts: 4,350	The 5712 and the 5990 are quite different watches and sit differently on the wrist. It is almost like comparing the 5711 and the 5980. When considering a watch based on future re-sale value, no one knows what the supply/demand ratio for a specific watch will be in 5 or 10 years. Having said that the production numbers for the 5990 is probably smaller than the 5712. But because of the higher price point, there are fewer potential customers for the 5990 compared to a 5712 if you decide to resell the watch. At the end of the day, it is always best to get the watch you will enjoy wearing, rather than worrying if you will lose money if you decide to sell it in a few years. IMO that takes the joy out of watch ownership and lead to worries about market fluctuation.

24 November 2016, 11:27 AM	#21
cervantes "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Real Name: Jay Location: East and West Posts: 1,894	It hasn't been as well received as the 5980.

24 November 2016, 11:40 AM	#22
hbk25 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2016 Real Name: Eric Location: US Watch: Z Blue Posts: 178	I personally find chronograph & gmt complications far more useful than the state of the moon or how much longer my watch can sit off my wrist. Also 120 m of water resistance (5990) gives me a lot more piece of mind than 60 m (5712). But the movement's prettier on the 5712 with its micro rotor & unencumbered view.

24 November 2016, 01:04 PM	#25
watchucallit "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: San Fran Posts: 2,218	I own both the 5712 and 5990 and if i only could chose 1-- 5990. Much more useful. I like a PR indicator but the moon phase takes time to set (not a daily wearer of one watch). I travel a fair bit so the 5990 is easy to set the second time zone. It is a little larger on the wrist but much smaller than most chronos and even with my small 6.4 inch wrist-- fits really well

24 November 2016, 01:56 PM	#27
Tony@KopiGau "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Real Name: Tony Location: SF HK Posts: 70	I would just go for 5990 because you may soon find youself in a situation looking for 5990 after getting the 5712/1A. This model sells well despite many criticise its price and busy dial. Value will hold imho. Wish you get your piece soon!

24 November 2016, 02:07 PM	#28
scrappy "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 623	5990 without hesitation

24 November 2016, 11:53 PM	#30
Vipes "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 4,909	I wasn't a fan of the 5990 until I saw it in person. Looks better than the 5980, IMO. I would pick the 5712 due to the slim case and the blue dial. I think Patek makes the best looking blue dial.

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