Porsche 991.2 GT3

[sctp39]

Anyone into Porsche GT cars? My local dealer has 3 allocations for the 2017 991.2 GT3. They are asking 50k over msrp for a build slot.
Rolex ADs play their games but are ethical compared to Porsche dealers!!!

[VICI]

That is ridiculous! Call around and hope you'll get lucky.

I am on the list for a 2018 manual GT3. Delivery is expected around April next year (manual production is delayed 6 months from PDK). At list.

[Dyim]

Location dependent. 50k is reasonable depending where you are. Can try to call around for no mark up but might be too late.

[Tommyk]

I worked at a high end dealer for 4 years, All markup a dealer adds to a car goes straight into their pocket. Its up to the GM of the store on how much or if they will even have a markup. If you have the time there are some dealers out there (doesnt matter if the are privately owned or publicly traded) but there are some who refuse to markup cars. This is unfortunately starting to die away since these ethics are typically found in old school owners who believe in customer service and they are rapidly selling and leaving the business.

A dealer may ask for a deposit of maybe $5k or $10k but $50k is ridiculous. But even if they say its list price today doesn't mean that in a year from now they can change their mind.

I quit the business but it anyone has questions or are looking for info feel free to reach out.

[Schmed]

Originally Posted by sctp39

Anyone into Porsche GT cars? My local dealer has 3 allocations for the 2017 991.2 GT3. They are asking 50k over msrp for a build slot.
Rolex ADs play their games but are ethical compared to Porsche dealers!!!

$50k over? I'd like to teach a dealer like that a lesson and tell them to take a hike. Too bad there are others that will pay that, and the dealer continues with this BS.

I'm on the list at my local dealer and they sell GT cars at MSRP. Not sure if I'll follow through, but it feels good to be ON THE LIST!

[bdex75]

Look up gisringhausen on IG. Geoff is a huge WIS that happens to own a Porsche dealer in central Illinois. No idea what he has or can get but worth a shot.

Don't know where "home" is but depending on price $50k will pay for a lot of shipping.


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[texex91]

What I have found with GT3's just like when I got my 2015...if you want one you will get one.

Will you be able to order to your specs--no probably not.

But I also hear .2 will build 'many more' than previous models.

Hell NO I would not pay a nickel over sticker. Never have, never will.

I've seen SO many people get screwed on 'deposit' orders that never materialized. Ahhhhh....greed.

[GB-man]

Yuck. No thanks. Love the car though.

[sechsgang]

I have one coming after a friend of mine is done with it, and I'll be picking it up for list, but honestly I'll likely be flipping for profit after that. I have a 991.2 GTS coming to me in June that I'm planning on keeping for a while (better overall car IMHO).

[Danny83]

Thats harder to find at MSRP then a DaytonaC .... too much demand for that car @MSRP

[Schmed]

Originally Posted by sechsgang

I have one coming after a friend of mine is done with it, and I'll be picking it up for list, but honestly I'll likely be flipping for profit after that. I have a 991.2 GTS coming to me in June that I'm planning on keeping for a while (better overall car IMHO).

Love the GTS. Ducktail?

[Old Geezer]

I really dislike the "ADP" (Additional Dealer Profit) on a window sticker but at least they call it what it is. The only car I have ever purchased that was sought after to have ADP on the sticker was a Honda S2000 which had $5K tacked on. After the usual ritual, I finally bought it for MSRP. The current crop of hot cars will command high prices and there seems to be money in the marketplace to move them. Hope those that want them get them.

[Soly20]

I don't like the GT3 looks wise. The over the top wing is just....

[KDS777]

I used to be the GSM of a franchised Porsche dealership for years. When it came right down to it, on the hot cars, my rule of thumb was always really simple.

Only the long term multiple purchasers of the brand got asked if they wanted the cars first.

They all paid MSRP.

But, these were also guys who were consistently buying 2-3 cars a year, and I had known them for years. They always brought their cars back to me to sell as well.

If people will pay $50K over list they are more than welcome to, it's a free market, but long term you need to water your own garden first.

[Etschell]

youd be surprised what they will do if you ask. not that many buyers for that vehicle to be honest.

[texex91]

Originally Posted by Etschell

youd be surprised what they will do if you ask. not that many buyers for that vehicle to be honest.

Are you referring to GT3 .2?

PLENTY of buyers--hence long waitlists and $50k over asking.

[Etschell]

Originally Posted by texex91

Are you referring to GT3 .2?

PLENTY of buyers--hence long waitlists and $50k over asking.

unit production is an integral part of the equation.

laugh all you want.

[Goin2drt]

You could be entertained for days on a couple of car forums. Right now yes that is what the dealers have established as "market value" although not one has been delivered yet. Many folks are telling them to pound sand but they are certainly calling and trying.

Market will determine the price. It will be over MSRP. Those that are getting at MSRP many will flip for quick profit. Flippers gonna flip and dealers are just trying to get some of that action and why shouldn't they. They have brick and mortar to pay for.

Until P controls this better like Ferrari does, it will continue.

Got to pay to play and as long as you have people with more money than sense and need to be the first at C&C it will continue.

[texex91]

Originally Posted by Etschell

unit production is an integral part of the equation.

laugh all you want.

They will sell every GT3 991.2 they make and have demand for more...not laughing.

The ONLY car I ever regret selling...

[Goin2drt]

Originally Posted by Etschell

unit production is an integral part of the equation.

laugh all you want.

Sorry but you clearly haven't followed the frenzy lately on P GT cars. There will be way more buyers than sellers. Reason why used ones are still selling for MSRP +. Sure plenty will sell at MSRP and far more for over for as long as production runs.

[Etschell]

Originally Posted by Goin2drt

Sorry but you clearly haven't followed the frenzy lately on P GT cars. There will be way more buyers than sellers. Reason why used ones are still selling for MSRP +. Sure plenty will sell at MSRP and far more for over for as long as production runs.

you are correct. i havent. but if porsche produced the right amount for demand their would be none of this going on. obviously supply < demand and probably on purpose to create buzz.

[superdog]

These cars are so over my reach, I know nothing about them.

But, 50k for an adjustment fee. Holy cow. That's the price of some really nice cars.

[Goin2drt]

Originally Posted by Etschell

you are correct. i havent. but if porsche produced the right amount for demand their would be none of this going on. obviously supply < demand and probably on purpose to create buzz.

Correct and that is all the bitching going on. P makes a bunch of 911 models that sit on lots forever yet they won't make enough GT cars to supply the demand. Many of us who want them won't pay over MSRP and do not have the rock solid relationship of multiple purchases to get them at MSRP. It really does suck and like I said there are hours and hours of enjoyment at Rennlist and 6speed on this mess.

[Spartacus]

I'm hoping the manual transmission with hurt the 997. Gt3 used prices. Would love a GT3 as a weekend car but not for 991 money.

[Goin2drt]

Originally Posted by Spartacus

I'm hoping the manual transmission with hurt the 997. Gt3 used prices. Would love a GT3 as a weekend car but not for 991 money.

This will be very interesting indeed. Lots of folks that claim they are "purists" really want the manual. The 991.2 manual is .5 second slower in 0-60. That is significant. We will see really how many purists there are the PDK is so much a far superior trans in every way other than that weekend cruiser that wants to feel connected.

How about the 911R prices. $200K sticker, selling for $450K right now yet the new .2 GT3 has the same engine and same trans just not the limited number. Will be interesting, grab the popcorn and save your pennies the 997's may just be coming down in price and you will get your wish.

[Etschell]

Originally Posted by texex91

They will sell every GT3 991.2 they make and have demand for more...not laughing.

The ONLY car I ever regret selling...

That was not the point....

[texex91]

Originally Posted by Etschell

youd be surprised what they will do if you ask. not that many buyers for that vehicle to be honest.

Originally Posted by Etschell

That was not the point....

What was your point then?

You said 'not that many buyers for that vehicle'.

I said there are plenty--the demand clearly shows that.

[Etschell]

Originally Posted by texex91

What was your point then?

You said 'not that many buyers for that vehicle'.

I said there are plenty--the demand clearly shows that.

When you limit the supply the demand increases, seemingly. I wonder how many porsche buyers are in the market for that vehicle versus a 911 or cayman. No shortage of 911s and probably a lot more buyers.

Perhaps my not many buyers should have been clearer. The only reason it is selling over list is because demand, even if it isn't that great, exceeds supply.

Paying over list is fine for some people.

[GSDLover]

Many car brands do this, but interestingly Ferrari does not. It's MSRP only.

[Goin2drt]

Originally Posted by GSDLover

Many car brands do this, but interestingly Ferrari does not. It's MSRP only.

Ferrari has the best system in my mind. You earn the right to get a hot car allocation by being a Ferrari customer and owner AND driver. Buy a few used ones from the dealer first. They when you do get on "the list" you get your allocation at MSRP. When you are done you have to sell it back to the dealer if you want to remain on that list. If you flip the car, you are out.

They have figured it out, Porsche has not.