Need Help Authenticate Tudor 7016/0 Snowflake

[mecuy]

Hello guys,

Would appreciate your thought and feedback on this piece. I have been told it is all original.

Cheers,

Mike

[harry in montreal]

I like it.

[mecuy]

I like it too. Do the bezel insert and case back look correct? Anything at all that jumps out at you as replacement or service part?

Originally Posted by harry in montreal

I like it.

[SAAS]

Hour and minute hand may be reluned as the second hand shares the same patina as dial and they do not. Insert appears to be tritium but possibly a service insert given lack of any fade.

[mecuy]

Same thought I had on the hour and minute hands and bezel insert. Is the font on the bezel insert period correct though? Did you mean the bezel pip appears to be original?

Thanks for your input.

Originally Posted by SAAS

Hour and minute hand may be reluned as the second hand shares the same patina as dial and they do not. Insert appears to be tritium but possibly a service insert given lack of any fade.

[Gina Marie]

Dial is nice. Needs a mark 3 insert. Needs matching hands. All original....no. Nice example of an escalating watch....yes.

[harry in montreal]

These are harder to find than the 7021. Whatnis the seller asking for the watch head? It's nice. The hands would not bother me. Does the dial or hands still glow?

[mecuy]

Truly appreciate that. So hands are service parts as well? By all original, perhaps he meant all genuine Rolex/Tudor parts? What does an escalating watch mean? How much would you be willing to pay with its current state?

Originally Posted by Gina Marie

Dial is nice. Needs a mark 3 insert. Needs matching hands. All original....no. Nice example of an escalating watch....yes.

[mecuy]

Thought so too so I was thrilled to find it. Price tag is $7k though. Would you go for it? Not sure on whether or not any of the lume still glows but will check.

Originally Posted by harry in montreal

These are harder to find than the 7021. What is the seller asking for the watch head? It's nice. The hands would not bother me. Does the dial or hands still glow?

[harry in montreal]

This watch was worth $2k 3 years ago so it has escalated in value.

What kind of band does it have? Rolex or Tudor? 9315?

I think the price is okay. The dial is a good one. I think this is a peak value for this model. I have no idea if the price will keep moving up

[mecuy]

Bracelet is Tudor 9315 with 380 end links. Would you say possible service parts (bezel insert, hour and minute hands) are genuine Rolex/Tudor? Up close, the hour and minute hands show a bit of staining, possibly oil... Not sure if this accounts for something.

Appreciate all your feedback, by the way. Cheers.

Originally Posted by harry in montreal

This watch was worth $2k 3 years ago so it has escalated in value.

What kind of band does it have? Rolex or Tudor? 9315?

I think the price is okay. The dial is a good one. I think this is a peak value for this model. I have no idea if the price will keep moving up

[jdog111578]

They look to be authentic rolex hands but I would say early replacements. I couldn't tell you without closer pics of the hands but they're not later luminova service hands. They have the correct shape and length etc, and I would suspect they were replaced at an early service along with the insert, though the pearl doesn't look luminova either. I think they were tritium hands replaced relatively early before they started with the luminova. Hence the slight aging patina which wouldn't happen with the later luminova.

[mecuy]

Thanks! That seems to make a lot of sense.

In place of the original parts, earlier service hands and insert are what I am hoping for. I am quite new at this as you can probably tell and can't be certain, of course, but I have seen images of Tudor Subs from the mid 70's with similar bezel inserts where the "4" is noticeably squarish. Any idea when Rolex started using inserts with this font?

Not sure if they are any clearer but here are some crops...

Originally Posted by jdog111578

They look to be authentic rolex hands but I would say early replacements. I couldn't tell you without closer pics of the hands but they're not later luminova service hands. They have the correct shape and length etc, and I would suspect they were replaced at an early service along with the insert, though the pearl doesn't look luminova either. I think they were tritium hands replaced relatively early before they started with the luminova. Hence the slight aging patina which wouldn't happen with the later luminova.

[jdog111578]

Not sure off the top of my head when those came out, but its should be a mark 3 insert. I think $7k is on the top end for this piece without B&P etc. Id be more comfortable at $6.5k tops but thats just me. Though harder to find, personally I would look for another if it were me. You can find plenty of Tudor subs in the $7k range with much more appeal.

[mecuy]

Appreciate your thoughts, Jason.

Did you mean the insert might already be a mark 3? Gina Marie suggested the watch needed a mark 3 insert with matching hands, which made me think the insert was not a mark 3.

Originally Posted by jdog111578

Not sure off the top of my head when those came out, but its should be a mark 3 insert. I think $7k is on the top end for this piece without B&P etc. Id be more comfortable at $6.5k tops but thats just me. Though harder to find, personally I would look for another if it were me. You can find plenty of Tudor subs in the $7k range with much more appeal.

[jdog111578]

No. it's not a mark 3, that's what you would want to get to have what came from the factory. It's fair the way it is, just not a great deal.


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[mecuy]

Ah, got it. Cheers.

Originally Posted by jdog111578

No. it's not a mark 3, that's what you would want to get to have what came from the factory. It's fair the way it is, just not a great deal.


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[harry in montreal]

I have owned maybe 6 7021s and one 9411. None of them had hands match the dials perfectly. Half were like this one. It shows age, which is a good thing. Dunno if I would pay this much for this Much for this example. Watch this auction, it should show you what these go for... the 7016 is worth a few hundred more plus $600 on the band. This one has a nice insert.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/112378054866...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

[Gina Marie]

the dial has acne. Hands and plots look poor. Insert is replaced. I would not pay 7k for this. Much closer to 5 I think.

The insert is a service replacement worth about 150. The mark 3 insert you need is about 1000.

Imho, not a nice example and not worth 7 usd.....5 k is my max on this and even then I would not be happy.

[mecuy]

Great. Thanks for sharing and for the tip.

Originally Posted by harry in montreal

I have owned maybe 6 7021s and one 9411. None of them had hands match the dials perfectly. Half were like this one. It shows age, which is a good thing. Dunno if I would pay this much for this Much for this example. Watch this auction, it should show you what these go for... the 7016 is worth a few hundred more plus $600 on the band. This one has a nice insert.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/112378054866...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

[mecuy]

Was wondering about the pricing on the inserts so thanks! Appreciate your opinion.

Originally Posted by Gina Marie

the dial has acne. Hands and plots look poor. Insert is replaced. I would not pay 7k for this. Much closer to 5 I think.

The insert is a service replacement worth about 150. The mark 3 insert you need is about 1000.

Imho, not a nice example and not worth 7 usd.....5 k is my max on this and even then I would not be happy.

[mecuy]

Here is the other 7016/0 that I am considering although it is not an SF, nor a rose dial... Offered at $5.6k.

I gathered from the dealer that the bezel pip is not original but everything else is.

This is my last shot at it, for now at least, so many thanks in advance for your thoughts and comments.

[Gina Marie]

i like this one better for the price. However, i am a little fuzzy on the shield dials for this vintage and when they came into place. I have a 68 flake with a shield dial but really you need to reach out to @linesiders to get a really good idea here.

[harry in montreal]

The crownguards should be a bit different on these. You need to look this up. I am not great with this transitional model. I prefer the square markers.

[mecuy]

I should mention that the serial no. 74xxxx dates it back to 1970 but, as you can see, case back is stamped IV.68. Apparently, this is not unusual and it only implies the case back was made in 1968 but the watch was issued in 1970.

Will reach out to @linesiders and hopefully he will chime in. Cheers.

Originally Posted by Gina Marie

i like this one better for the price. However, i am a little fuzzy on the shield dials for this vintage and when they came into place. I have a 68 flake with a shield dial but really you need to reach out to @linesiders to get a really good idea here.

[mecuy]

Good catch, Harry. I have read online that Rolex/Tudor employed two case designs for the 7016 - an earlier one that featured a semi-pointed crown guards and a later one with rounded crown guards, which this piece has.

Originally Posted by harry in montreal

The crownguards should be a bit different on these. You need to look this up. I am not great with this transitional model. I prefer the square markers.

[mecuy]

@Gina Marie, let me go back to the SF example for a moment... By matching hands, did you just mean snowflake hands with same shade/color of patina?

Originally Posted by Gina Marie

Dial is nice. Needs a mark 3 insert. Needs matching hands...

[Gina Marie]

Yes you need matching hands.

[harry in montreal]

The back doesn't fall in the range of the serial number.... the dial is incorrect for the crownguard type...you actually would want to buy this?

[linesiders]

Only a quick drive-by as working for the Mortgage ;)

Flake far too expensive for something not matching or very attractive. Service insert

7016 Dial and insert are probably OK as this should be a 70/71 but then caseback is wrong like Harry suggests.