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Old 17 August 2017, 10:56 PM   #1
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Real or potential replica? With pictures!
Hey all - I found this watch will keep information disclosed at the moment to protect potential seller. However It is claimed to be genuine however I do not see a serial number on this case. It does have the rolex rolex rolex on the chapter ring, and it does have the model number engraved at top of case. Looking at these few pictures is it normal for no serial number to be on the case for a Submariner no date 114060...See attached pictures to verification.
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Old 17 August 2017, 11:00 PM   #2
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I want to say this is a replica since there is no engraved serial number on the case...but want some opinions.
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Old 17 August 2017, 11:01 PM   #3
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2005. Rolex starts to engrave the serial number on the inside ring (rehaut) and on the case.

From 2008. Rolex does'nt engrave on the case at 6 anymore but only on the chapter ring. ( and sorry for my bad english) :-))

From 2010, gradually, all the models have the serial number inside the ring
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Old 17 August 2017, 11:03 PM   #4
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Is the serial number inside the dial at 6 o'clock on the rehaut?
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Old 17 August 2017, 11:04 PM   #5
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Ok very good to know. I do believe I can make out some numbers on the chapter ring at 6 now that I am looking very closely at that location...
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Old 17 August 2017, 11:06 PM   #6
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Looks fake, missing serial number
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Old 17 August 2017, 11:07 PM   #7
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Should be a combo of 8 letters and numbers in a random order. Could start with a letter or number. Also, Rolex will be engraved completely around the rest of the inner dial. Also clearer photos will help.
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Old 17 August 2017, 11:16 PM   #8
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Old 17 August 2017, 11:19 PM   #9
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looks to be rolexes 3131 movement.
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Old 17 August 2017, 11:58 PM   #10
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fakes have a serial number engraved on the rehaut at "6" too...
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Old 18 August 2017, 12:06 AM   #11
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Need clearer photos.
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Old 18 August 2017, 12:08 AM   #12
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Need clearer photos.
Agreed. I would not buy anything based on these images.
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Old 18 August 2017, 01:06 AM   #13
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Here's the listing: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rolex-Submar...19.m1438.l2649
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Old 18 August 2017, 01:07 AM   #14
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Picture of movement
FAKE
100% FAKE
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Old 18 August 2017, 01:12 AM   #15
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The movement is not genuine. It is a Chinese replica movement.
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Old 18 August 2017, 01:15 AM   #16
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The movement is not genuine. It is a Chinese replica movement.
Absolutely correct.
100% fake and reported
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Old 18 August 2017, 01:15 AM   #17
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Old 18 August 2017, 01:19 AM   #18
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What do you see in the movement that lets you know that? I'm curious, it looked right to me, minus the finishing on some parts of the movement.
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Old 18 August 2017, 01:20 AM   #19
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I'm not an expert, but it looks authentic to me when I compare it to hi res pictures of an authentic 114060. Everything seems to match up, look right, and look like Rolex quality construction.
Its fake
Its scary how close the counterfeiters have got.
PLUS
Seller has not given clear photos, but its 100% fake
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Old 18 August 2017, 01:23 AM   #20
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I edited right after I saw your post, but yes, it looked pretty spot on to me. I would have been fooled by this. Then again, I wouldn't be buying my Rolex off eBay, either.
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Old 18 August 2017, 01:25 AM   #21
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There are a couple subtle tells. Find a high quality picture of a genuine movement from the Rolex website or another trusted source and see if you can spot the differences between this movement. The replica movements are getting very accurate. They will accept about 90% genuine parts. The accuracy of the copied movement is getting scary.
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Old 18 August 2017, 01:26 AM   #22
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What do you see in the movement that lets you know that? I'm curious, it looked right to me, minus the finishing on some parts of the movement.
Sorry, we should NOT post that info.
It only help fake sellers hide the issues
Its fake
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Old 18 August 2017, 01:27 AM   #23
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There are a couple subtle tells. Find a high quality picture of a genuine movement from the Rolex website or another trusted source and see if you can spot the differences between this movement. The replica movements are getting very accurate. They will accept about 90% genuine parts. The accuracy of the copied movement is getting scary.
Correct
And I have even better (cleverer) samples.
Thanks for not posting the signs - its better we do not advise others how to hide these counterfeits
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Old 18 August 2017, 01:29 AM   #24
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Rolex and the serial engraved on the rehaut seem to disappeared depending on the picture... super odd. I ,personally and maybe others can share their experience,never seen the engraved Rolex or Serial, fade away on the rehaut
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Rolex and the serial engraved on the rehaut seem to disappeared depending on the picture... super odd. I ,personally and maybe others can share their experience,never seen the engraved Rolex or Serial, fade away on the rehaut
It would be impossible
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Gee, OP not on. I wonder if this was a test?

Nice going Adam.
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Sorry, we should NOT post that info.
It only help fake sellers hide the issues
Its fake
Understood.
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Old 18 August 2017, 01:39 AM   #28
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Gee, OP not on. I wonder if this was a test?

Nice going Adam.
Probably - Possible
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Listing was pulled.
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