Rolex Daytona, it is authentic but "swiss made" is off?

[TMore9]

Hello everyone,

I purchased a Rolex Daytona 116500LN White dial from Stock X. It was the dumbest mistake of my life and nor will I ever purchase a watch from them again, I would recommend fellow TRF members to avoid them entirely.

The watch that arrived turns out is authentic, I had 2 different watch service shops in Los Angeles open and check the movement as well as confirm that it is in fact a 116500 and not a 116520. Now comes the part that threw me off...

On the white dial as seen below, where it says Swiss Made the gap is far larger than any other ceramic daytona I have seen or found online. What are your thoughts on this?

Daytona1 by Tushar More, on Flickr

daytona by Tushar More, on Flickr

When I brought this up with Stock X, they simply told me that their own certified watchmakers authenticated the watch as well as pressure tested it etc. so I have no grounds on questioning them. Which is another reason why I will never shop with Stock X again. Also they don't actually show you the watch before you purchase. I know it goes against everything you should do as a watch buyer and I've learnt my lesson.

The watch was confirmed as an authentic 116500 by both service shops and they showed me the ref no's as well as the movement.

[Old Expat Beast]

More on this watch here: https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=556273

[GLADIATOR]

Looks like a mix between Mk.3 and Mk.4 dial?

Do you have a photo of the movement?
adam

[nick c]

I agree the Swiss made is way off


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[TMore9]

The more I looked at the photos of this dial the more I felt something was off. Here are my observations... the sub dials have silver rings around them which none of the other white dial daytonas have. Not only that but the writing of Daytona is uneven and inconsistent. Finally if you look at the ceramic bezel "240" clockwise all the way to "140" is faded. There is no way this ceramic bezel is the correct one.

I have fought long and hard with stock x with multiple pictures and threats to sue because this watch has been tampered with. They have finally agreed to take it back and refund my money. Just a word of warning, don't buy from them... ever.

[breitlings]

glad you got out of it. something is off about the daytona you posted.

[TMore9]

Well, I am currently packing it up to ship back to them. I have taken multiple pictures as well as highlighted on those pictures by hand what the inconsistencies are... I have also written a letter highlighting that I demand a refund or else legal action will be taken.

They have agreed to a refund, but until I don't have the money clear my account I am nervous/cautious. But yes I am glad that it has come to this because until yesterday I thought I lost a large chunk of money.

[Al1969]

Originally Posted by TMore9

Well, I am currently packing it up to ship back to them. I have taken multiple pictures as well as highlighted on those pictures by hand what the inconsistencies are... I have also written a letter highlighting that I demand a refund or else legal action will be taken.

They have agreed to a refund, but until I don't have the money clear my account I am nervous/cautious. But yes I am glad that it has come to this because until yesterday I thought I lost a large chunk of money.

Okay I'm trying to follow here.
So you bought it, went to 'flip' it by listing it here and then questioned its authenticity?

[TMore9]

Originally Posted by Al1969

Okay I'm trying to follow here.
So you bought it, went to 'flip' it by listing it here and then questioned its authenticity?

Ok, some clarification here... I got the watch. It arrived, all looked good. I was always going to resell it as I paid below market for it (that should have been a sign). Then I noticed the swiss made logo being off. Took it to a watch service shop next to where I live, they opened the movement and said it checked out, they also removed the bracelet at the 12 o'clock mark and showed me the ref as 116500. However, they had no idea why the dial was off... But everything looked right.

Then I listed it for sale, while for sale I thought i should ask the community about the watch. As I kept looking at the watch I thought "maybe I got screwed and its fake" that's when the sale post got removed.

At this point I took it to another watch service shop in Los Angeles. They also confirmed that everything except for the dial checked out...

I contact stock X they said that everything is authentic and nothing is wrong. Later last night I noticed the silver rings on the sub dials as well as 2-3 more inconsistencies. Sent an email to stock x threatening to sue as well as images showing the red flags.

This morning at 6am I get an email from them saying they will accept the return as they believe it to be a tampered dial.

That's how I got to where I am now.

[Al1969]

Originally Posted by TMore9

Ok, some clarification here... I got the watch. It arrived, all looked good. I was always going to resell it as I paid below market for it (that should have been a sign). Then I noticed the swiss made logo being off. Took it to a watch service shop next to where I live, they opened the movement and said it checked out, they also removed the bracelet at the 12 o'clock mark and showed me the ref as 116500. However, they had no idea why the dial was off... But everything looked right.

Then I listed it for sale, while for sale I thought i should ask the community about the watch. As I kept looking at the watch I thought "maybe I got screwed and its fake" that's when the sale post got removed.

At this point I took it to another watch service shop in Los Angeles. They also confirmed that everything except for the dial checked out...

I contact stock X they said that everything is authentic and nothing is wrong. Later last night I noticed the silver rings on the sub dials as well as 2-3 more inconsistencies. Sent an email to stock x threatening to sue as well as images showing the red flags.

This morning at 6am I get an email from them saying they will accept the return as they believe it to be a tampered dial.

That's how I got to where I am now.

I see. Well, best of luck in getting your money back.

[mannyv11]

Originally Posted by TMore9

Ok, some clarification here... I got the watch. It arrived, all looked good. I was always going to resell it as I paid below market for it (that should have been a sign). Then I noticed the swiss made logo being off. Took it to a watch service shop next to where I live, they opened the movement and said it checked out, they also removed the bracelet at the 12 o'clock mark and showed me the ref as 116500. However, they had no idea why the dial was off... But everything looked right.

Then I listed it for sale, while for sale I thought i should ask the community about the watch. As I kept looking at the watch I thought "maybe I got screwed and its fake" that's when the sale post got removed.

At this point I took it to another watch service shop in Los Angeles. They also confirmed that everything except for the dial checked out...

I contact stock X they said that everything is authentic and nothing is wrong. Later last night I noticed the silver rings on the sub dials as well as 2-3 more inconsistencies. Sent an email to stock x threatening to sue as well as images showing the red flags.

This morning at 6am I get an email from them saying they will accept the return as they believe it to be a tampered dial.

That's how I got to where I am now.

if the case also says 116500 wouldn't that indicate the case is also fake? why have a real ceramic daytona case and an incorrect dial? doesn't really make much sense to me.

[TMore9]

Originally Posted by mannyv11

if the case also says 116500 wouldn't that indicate the case is also fake? why have a real ceramic daytona case and an incorrect dial? doesn't really make much sense to me.

I don't understand either. My suspicion is this watch was a black dialed version and the owner had a white one custom made and put in it...

[mannyv11]

Originally Posted by TMore9

I don't understand either. My suspicion is this watch was a black dialed version and the owner had a white one custom made and put in it...

seems weird, i understand there is a premium for the white dial, but to go through all of that effort for an extra grand seems insane.

[GLADIATOR]

Originally Posted by TMore9

I don't understand either. My suspicion is this watch was a black dialed version and the owner had a white one custom made and put in it...

Nope, does not make sense. Any original buyer even if he wanted a "white" dial would have kept the original Rolex dial, for what is probably the most rare modern Rolex on the planet.

I would have loved to see a photo of the movement to personally confirm if its genuine

Adam

[TMore9]

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Nope, does not make sense. Any original buyer even if he wanted a "white" dial would have kept the original Rolex dial, for what is probably the most rare modern Rolex on the planet.

I would have loved to see a photo of the movement to personally confirm if its genuine

Adam

Doesn't add up to me either... before sending the watch back I checked everything else carefully and literally everything checks out except for the dial. Unfortunately I do not have a tool to open the back so I wasn't able to get a picture for you.

Either way, the watch has been sent back. I will update this thread with what Stock X say. They did say I will get my money back but as mentioned earlier, until it isn't in my account I'm still playing cautious.

[Al1969]

Originally Posted by TMore9

Doesn't add up to me either... before sending the watch back I checked everything else carefully and literally everything checks out except for the dial. Unfortunately I do not have a tool to open the back so I wasn't able to get a picture for you.

Either way, the watch has been sent back. I will update this thread with what Stock X say. They did say I will get my money back but as mentioned earlier, until it isn't in my account I'm still playing cautious.

Someone else just put a thread on a BLNR purchased from Stock X.

[TMore9]

Originally Posted by Al1969

Someone else just put a thread on a BLNR purchased from Stock X.

I am extremely curious about his expierence. Link?

[Al1969]

Originally Posted by TMore9

I am extremely curious about his expierence. Link?

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=556419

[Etschell]

It appears fake. Bezel numbers arent even coloration wise as well. Send it back.

[TMore9]

Originally Posted by Etschell

It appears fake. Bezel numbers arent even coloration wise as well. Send it back.

That's the conclusion I came to... that the bezel was incorrect as well. I have sent it back, but boy oh boy did I have to fight to get them to agree... Now I've been going through this other thread of a person who purchased a BLNR off Stock X and man I feel sorry for him because it's going to be extremely tough to get their money back on that.

I have confirmed with Stock X that once they receive the watch they will reverse the transaction on my CC. Thank god. And NEVER EVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE PURCHASE FROM STOCK X.

[jhilly8982]

Company looks to be a startup located in downtown Detroit. Not in a shady area, nice corporate building, no store front. Let me know if I should pay them a visit, haha.

[Etschell]

Originally Posted by jhilly8982

Company looks to be a startup located in downtown Detroit. Not in a shady area, nice corporate building, no store front. Let me know if I should pay them a visit, haha.

They are just a middle man.

[TMore9]

Originally Posted by jhilly8982

Company looks to be a startup located in downtown Detroit. Not in a shady area, nice corporate building, no store front. Let me know if I should pay them a visit, haha.

Here's the thing, they are known for sneaker resale... and for that they are good. I have purchased 2 sneakers from them which I got for a good 15% below market value and when I decided I didn't like them I was able to flip the shoes in a matter of a week.

They have just introduced their watch sales and I think they just have it all wrong. They do not understand how the resale market works when it comes to watches... the fact that they do not list whether it comes with box or papers is a big no no. Not only that but they do not let you see the watch or see what year the watch is from etc...

I'm sure they do not have bad intentions, but its been a nightmare trying to speak with customer service. They don't even have a phone number... I think they have a lot to learn about watches. That's all.

[And1dre]

I've bought sneakers from StockX and never had issues. With that being said, I will never buy a watch from them. This is horrible, can't imagine how many other watches they've "authenticated".

[Tools]

Rolex dial fonts and spacing have always had variance from time-to-time.

Not sure that I would be alarmed over that alone.

[TMore9]

Originally Posted by Tools

Rolex dial fonts and spacing have always had variance from time-to-time.

Not sure that I would be alarmed over that alone.

Of course a slight variation is acceptable... but after spotting multiple different variations including different colors/materials on parts of the dial lead me to believe that even if the watch is authentic the dial has been replaced. Also, the bezel inlays are not consistent throughout... Either way the watch has been sent back.

[joeirish]

spacing of the numbers on the sub dials is all over the place, look at how they differ in distance to the edges of the sub dials compared to the photograph of the two genuine watches.
This wouldn't have passed quality control at Rolex !
The "Swiss Made" is totally wrong.
Also the dial is left aligned in the watch, suggesting it has been fitted aftermarket, or swapped out.
Just my 2cents .....

[socalwatchcollector]

The first mistake was buying a watch from sneaker heads. Who do they have their to authenticate etc? The variations do happen as others have said but I would not risk it.

It's like Adam said, I would love to see photos of the movement.

Thumbs up for being honest and pulling the sales post down. That shows you have integrity.

[JSolano305]

Originally Posted by And1dre

I've bought sneakers from StockX and never had issues. With that being said, I will never buy a watch from them. This is horrible, can't imagine how many other watches they've "authenticated".

Correct sir. I sale and buy on stock X and Goat. I found it a joke when Stock X started selling watches and purses. Those people need to stick to what they know best...highly coveted sneakers.

[breitlings]

a bit off topic but do people really buy used sneakers?