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SimpleMan91 · 27 January 2018, 07:24 AM

Hey Everyone!

I was offered a brand new 5164R for my rose gold royal oak chrono (new brown dial).
Do you think it’s a fair trade?

Oryx · 27 January 2018, 07:29 AM

I would personally take that deal - note I am a full fledged PP fan

soundserious · 27 January 2018, 07:40 AM

Yep I’d do that in a heartbeat.

goog53 · 27 January 2018, 07:59 AM

I’d do that any day of the week and twice on Sunday

JorgeCCW · 27 January 2018, 08:46 AM

Even a Patek hater should do that deal, you come out ahead on that deal bro

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SimpleMan91 · 27 January 2018, 09:28 AM

Wow here I thought I’d have mixed answers!
Patek it is!!

AK797 · 27 January 2018, 10:10 AM

If on a strap then yes I'd swap.

tng11 · 27 January 2018, 11:10 AM

Hold on - is your RO on strap or on bracelet?

If on bracelet, then I'd keep the RO. If on strap, it's a no brainer - you're coming out way ahead.

SimpleMan91 · 27 January 2018, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by tng11

Hold on - is your RO on strap or on bracelet?

If on bracelet, then I'd keep the RO. If on strap, it's a no brainer - you're coming out way ahead.

No it’s on bracelet. That’s why I’m having a dilemma over here...

SimpleMan91 · 27 January 2018, 11:26 AM

Here it is!

AK797 · 27 January 2018, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SimpleMan91

Here it is!

No, I'd get a 5711R in that case. Brown dial is more vibrant on it than on the Aqua as well.

SimpleMan91 · 27 January 2018, 12:05 PM

Funny thing is over the summer I traded in my 5711R for the AP because it was too plain and boring...Now the 5711R is selling 10K more than i bought it...

AK797 · 27 January 2018, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SimpleMan91

Funny thing is over the summer I traded in my 5711R for the AP because it was too plain and boring...Now the 5711R is selling 10K more than i bought it...

Funny, I sold my RG ROC to eventually get the 5711R, and it's far from boring, but more discrete than the AP.

SimpleMan91 · 27 January 2018, 12:31 PM

I do regret it...

When I had the 5711R i wanted something more BAM

SimpleMan91 · 27 January 2018, 12:32 PM

Even if it’s on a bracelet not strap?

mps354 · 27 January 2018, 01:02 PM

I'd definitely do that

JorgeCCW · 27 January 2018, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SimpleMan91

Funny thing is over the summer I traded in my 5711R for the AP because it was too plain and boring...Now the 5711R is selling 10K more than i bought it...

Value retention/increase is not everything in this hobby.
Important factor to consider, no question, but not the only factor to determine the purchase. Just buy right and buy the watch that brings you joy.
If that was the case, you may as well buy Daytonas and 5711’s , lol

AK797 · 27 January 2018, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SimpleMan91

Even if it’s on a bracelet not strap?

I love the design of the 5164, and have the SS myself, but that AP bracelet is a work of art, but it looks like you want something new so go for it.

GB-man · 27 January 2018, 11:35 PM

I would make that trade for sure.

tng11 · 28 January 2018, 10:54 AM

As much as I love Patek - I would not do the trade. The RO on bracelet is a work of art. Flashier, but the craftmanship on the bracelet is really second to none. Not to take anything away from the 5164R - it's an incredible piece, but just that I wouldn't trade what you have now for that simply because it's on a strap.

Now, a real trade would be your ROC plus cash for a 5980/1R. Gosh I still dream about it after trying it on.

AK797 · 28 January 2018, 12:22 PM

If the chrono on bracelet is too much, I would also consider the 5980R on strap, fabulous piece.

SimpleMan91 · 28 January 2018, 12:28 PM

Hahahahaha
I was thinking of the 5980R! But the prices dramatically rose. The AD’s that have one (IF they have one) are giving zero discounts. You can’t get a 5980R even in the grey market with good discounts...And i don’t like to pay full price

kilyung · 28 January 2018, 03:04 PM

That trade is a no brainer

nyc2la · 28 January 2018, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SimpleMan91

Hahahahaha

I was thinking of the 5980R! But the prices dramatically rose. The AD’s that have one (IF they have one) are giving zero discounts. You can’t get a 5980R even in the grey market with good discounts...And i don’t like to pay full price

I’d rather pay full retail for a watch I want than get a discount on a watch I don’t, particularly if the watch I want is, in reality, not selling for a discount anyway. Buy what you really want in this hobby, it’s the cheapest way in the long run. My 2-cents.

lovetherolex · 28 January 2018, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SimpleMan91

Hahahahaha
I was thinking of the 5980R! But the prices dramatically rose. The AD’s that have one (IF they have one) are giving zero discounts. You can’t get a 5980R even in the grey market with good discounts...And i don’t like to pay full price

Is it the same for the 5711R these days? Zero discounts??

SimpleMan91 · 28 January 2018, 05:57 PM

Yup approx 55K.... i bought one right before the summer for $45K..

Hairdude1 · 29 January 2018, 01:35 PM

Go for it

lovetherolex · 30 January 2018, 02:02 PM

There are still discounts to be had from the right dealer, don’t give up yet. It depends on how far you want to push it, but I wouldn’t believe an AD who doesn’t have one saying that.

Marcus SE · 1 February 2018, 04:20 AM

Owning both SS versions of these watches I would not make a trade.

AP ROC is a rather special watch, in particular when in gold. I find its design being much more appealing as a gold watch comparing to 5164 which is more sporty with the tropical strap, and would remain as such as a gold version

wulin · 6 February 2018, 02:15 PM

It's a fair trade. The gold ROC has higher MSRP but 5164r should hold its value better and might worth more than the gold ROC down the road.

But it really comes down to which style you prefer more. Bracelet or strap, chronograph or gmt.

Personally I would take the brand new 5164r. It's much harder to find a 5164 than a AP ROC.

27 January 2018, 07:24 AM	#1
SimpleMan91 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Down by the shore Watch: 5712a,5170P,5980R, Posts: 441	Help! 5164R or.... Hey Everyone! I was offered a brand new 5164R for my rose gold royal oak chrono (new brown dial). Do you think it’s a fair trade?

27 January 2018, 07:40 AM	#3
soundserious "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: usofmfa Posts: 3,157	Yep I’d do that in a heartbeat. __________________ Instagram: soundsoserious

27 January 2018, 07:59 AM	#4
goog53 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: Mike G Location: Ohio Watch: Rolex-Patek-AP Posts: 3,080	I’d do that any day of the week and twice on Sunday __________________ The only thing better than the watches are the people behind them. "The best watch in the world is the one that's on your wrist." Morgan King "Do you like having a good time? Then you need a good watch!" Rocky Balboa

27 January 2018, 08:46 AM	#5
JorgeCCW "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Jorge Location: Ohio, USA Watch: Rolex,Patek and AP Posts: 4,721	Help! 5164R or.... Even a Patek hater should do that deal, you come out ahead on that deal bro Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Nothing happens until something moves " Albert Einstein

27 January 2018, 11:26 AM	#10
SimpleMan91 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Down by the shore Watch: 5712a,5170P,5980R, Posts: 441	Here it is! Attached Images

27 January 2018, 07:29 AM	#2
Oryx "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: London Posts: 1,895	I would personally take that deal - note I am a full fledged PP fan

27 January 2018, 09:28 AM	#6
SimpleMan91 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Down by the shore Watch: 5712a,5170P,5980R, Posts: 441	Wow here I thought I’d have mixed answers! Patek it is!!

27 January 2018, 10:10 AM	#7
AK797 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,369	If on a strap then yes I'd swap.

27 January 2018, 11:10 AM	#8
tng11 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: N/A Posts: 3,636	Hold on - is your RO on strap or on bracelet? If on bracelet, then I'd keep the RO. If on strap, it's a no brainer - you're coming out way ahead.

27 January 2018, 12:05 PM	#12
SimpleMan91 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Down by the shore Watch: 5712a,5170P,5980R, Posts: 441	Funny thing is over the summer I traded in my 5711R for the AP because it was too plain and boring...Now the 5711R is selling 10K more than i bought it... Attached Images

27 January 2018, 12:31 PM	#14
SimpleMan91 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Down by the shore Watch: 5712a,5170P,5980R, Posts: 441	I do regret it... When I had the 5711R i wanted something more BAM

27 January 2018, 12:32 PM	#15
SimpleMan91 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Down by the shore Watch: 5712a,5170P,5980R, Posts: 441	Even if it’s on a bracelet not strap?

27 January 2018, 01:02 PM	#16
mps354 2025 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Real Name: Mike Location: CT Posts: 9,162	I'd definitely do that

27 January 2018, 11:35 PM	#19
GB-man 2025 TitaniumYM Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: USA Watch: addiction issues Posts: 37,679	I would make that trade for sure. __________________

28 January 2018, 10:54 AM	#20
tng11 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: N/A Posts: 3,636	As much as I love Patek - I would not do the trade. The RO on bracelet is a work of art. Flashier, but the craftmanship on the bracelet is really second to none. Not to take anything away from the 5164R - it's an incredible piece, but just that I wouldn't trade what you have now for that simply because it's on a strap. Now, a real trade would be your ROC plus cash for a 5980/1R. Gosh I still dream about it after trying it on.

28 January 2018, 12:22 PM	#21
AK797 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,369	If the chrono on bracelet is too much, I would also consider the 5980R on strap, fabulous piece.

28 January 2018, 12:28 PM	#22
SimpleMan91 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Down by the shore Watch: 5712a,5170P,5980R, Posts: 441	Hahahahaha I was thinking of the 5980R! But the prices dramatically rose. The AD’s that have one (IF they have one) are giving zero discounts. You can’t get a 5980R even in the grey market with good discounts...And i don’t like to pay full price

28 January 2018, 03:04 PM	#23
kilyung "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cave Watch: Sundial Posts: 33,950	That trade is a no brainer

28 January 2018, 05:57 PM	#26
SimpleMan91 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Down by the shore Watch: 5712a,5170P,5980R, Posts: 441	Yup approx 55K.... i bought one right before the summer for $45K..

29 January 2018, 01:35 PM	#27
Hairdude1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Real Name: Alex Location: Chicago Watch: AP,PP, Rolex Posts: 37,156	Go for it __________________ Instagram: @Hairdude Watches in Collection 5070R, 5522A, 214270 MK1, 228238 16750, 26401, 5711, 116718, 116710LN, 116300, 16710"Coke", 372, 15300, 15703 (All Flipped) Official Member "Perpetual 30" Las Vegas GTG 2016 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2017 Official Member 'WIS-CON' Las Vegas Int'l GTG 2018

30 January 2018, 02:02 PM	#28
lovetherolex Banned Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: another planet Posts: 608	There are still discounts to be had from the right dealer, don’t give up yet. It depends on how far you want to push it, but I wouldn’t believe an AD who doesn’t have one saying that.

1 February 2018, 04:20 AM	#29
Marcus SE "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Sweden Posts: 82	Owning both SS versions of these watches I would not make a trade. AP ROC is a rather special watch, in particular when in gold. I find its design being much more appealing as a gold watch comparing to 5164 which is more sporty with the tropical strap, and would remain as such as a gold version

6 February 2018, 02:15 PM	#30
wulin "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: California Watch: PP,AP,Rolex,IWC Posts: 578	It's a fair trade. The gold ROC has higher MSRP but 5164r should hold its value better and might worth more than the gold ROC down the road. But it really comes down to which style you prefer more. Bracelet or strap, chronograph or gmt. Personally I would take the brand new 5164r. It's much harder to find a 5164 than a AP ROC.

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