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T3F · 22 February 2018, 03:03 PM

Long story short, I'm considering at buying 7 of either the WG Oysterflex Daytona (ref. 116519LN) or the WG blue Submariner (ref. 116619LB) (and no, they wouldn't all be for me...). The first question I had was on pricing - it seems like 20% on PM models is fairly standard, but do you think it would be reasonable to shoot for more given the quantity that I'm buying? Also, I've wanted the SS Daytonas for quite a while and think it would be reasonable to ask to get both a white and black dial within a reasonably short timeframe (a few months). I haven't yet discussed this with the AD, but they know that I want a Daytona and said that an order like this would "move me higher on the list." This sort of response shocked me a bit -- I feel like asking for both, let alone just one, in this scenario isn't that ridiculous, but I wanted to hear what you all thought. Thanks!

EDIT: They don't have these in stock, but said they could order pretty easily with delivery in ~2 months.

GB-man · 22 February 2018, 03:14 PM

I think you could get 7 of them at 20% off and both 116500 at retail from many AD.

Go in person and put your credit card on the table for the sum. You will have your watches soon.

I know I could get it done.

coralfarmer84 · 22 February 2018, 03:22 PM

I would think if you were buying 7 PM models you should be able to get 25-30 percent off no problem and the next ss Daytona they get in. if you settled for 20% off they better have both ss Daytona’s waiting at pickup same day as the other 7.

Rocket_Man · 22 February 2018, 03:31 PM

I'd be surprised that a single AD would have that kind of stock to sell, even in PM. If you bought 7 PM models at one time I'd expect more than 20%. Keep in mind they paid ~60% for them and generally they are not fast movers. They have more to give, especially if you took your purchase to a competing AD. But I think you will run into the 'not enough stock' problem if you want to buy all these from a single AD. You might have to be patient.

asiparks · 22 February 2018, 03:36 PM

I thought this was going to be another "Rolex at Costco" thread.....

GB-man · 22 February 2018, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Rocket_Man

I'd be surprised that a single AD would have that kind of stock to sell, even in PM. If you bought 7 PM models at one time I'd expect more than 20%. Keep in mind they paid ~60% for them and generally they are not fast movers. They have more to give, especially if you took your purchase to a competing AD. But I think you will run into the 'not enough stock' problem if you want to buy all these from a single AD. You might have to be patient.

No doubt at my AD it would facilitate a much much better deal.

henrylee · 22 February 2018, 03:45 PM

I would call around other ADs as well and see what business they have to offer. With this deal they should be coming to you.

roger0770 · 22 February 2018, 03:57 PM

It depends where you are. Markets like NYC, LA, and etc. ADs have clients who buy 6+ watches a year. If it was a small market area, I am sure things would move much quicker.

Uppersouth · 22 February 2018, 04:05 PM

I think a good AD can come up with the seven of your choice at 30% off. I think it’s a reasonable request to get both SS Daytona’s at MSRP. If you have trouble making it happen at those numbers, send me a PM and I’ll give you the name of an AD that’ll do it.

sensui · 22 February 2018, 04:39 PM

I must be talking to the wrong ADs if 20% off PM is a normal discount lol......here I thought 10-15% is normal/good with a relation.

Justindo · 22 February 2018, 04:54 PM

If I were buying those watches at once, I would expect 30% off and both Daytona's at MSRP.

GB-man · 22 February 2018, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sensui

I must be talking to the wrong ADs if 20% off PM is a normal discount lol......here I thought 10-15% is normal/good with a relation.

There is a volume discount for sure my friend. OP wants 7 PM watches at once

At least up here that is fair. Maybe not in SoCal.

T3F · 22 February 2018, 05:10 PM

Thanks for the responses thus far. I think I'm going to ask for 25% and the two SS Daytonas at MSRP, although I'm not confident I'll get that given how they acted today. If anyone has suggestions for other ADs, feel free to PM me.

wytrader · 22 February 2018, 06:55 PM

Just out of curiosity is the 116519LN on oysterflex a watch AD's can just order and expect to get 7 of? Smurf I realise should never be an issue.

Starwalker · 22 February 2018, 07:16 PM

I would say 35% off lists plus both daytona's at retail. They should be able to arrange it. If not, I would go to a grey dealer that could do that for you.

HL65 · 22 February 2018, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Starwalker

I would say 35% off lists plus both daytona's at retail. They should be able to arrange it. If not, I would go to a grey dealer that could do that for you.

Don't count on an AD working for 3% on the PM's. Also I wouldn't count on the 116500's any time soon either as my guess is you will be sorely disappointed.

tyler1980 · 22 February 2018, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by HL65

Don't count on an AD working for 3% on the PM's. Also I wouldn't count on the 116500's any time soon either as my guess is you will be sorely disappointed.

yeah... the AD's still need to make money. IMO a maximum of 20% on one or 20% on 10 is reasonable. The bulk advantage lies in the access to hard to get pieces that will surely follow compared if you were not a big customer.

tng11 · 22 February 2018, 08:18 PM

Are ADs even giving significant discounts (i.e. the standard PM discount) on the WG Oysterflex Daytona? I know they're still in high demand from ADs around the world, many don't have them in display cases and are maintaining waitlists for them. That would lead me to believe the AD can't just wave a wand and get 7 in one whack.

One AD that I talked to that normally gives pretty good discounts on PM refused to discount on either the YG or WG Oysterflex Daytonas when I asked.

Smurf is a different story - I'd expect 30% off for those.

tyler1980 · 22 February 2018, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tng11

Are ADs even giving significant discounts (i.e. the standard PM discount) on the WG Oysterflex Daytona? I know they're still in high demand from ADs around the world, many don't have them in display cases and are maintaining waitlists for them. That would lead me to believe the AD can't just wave a wand and get 7 in one whack.

One AD that I talked to that normally gives pretty good discounts on PM refused to discount on either the YG or WG Oysterflex Daytonas when I asked.

Smurf is a different story - I'd expect 30% off for those.

in london you would be lucky with 5% on a OF daytona. US seems like its a bit easier but i doubt most could get a big discount.

I just dont think buying more necessarily ensures a bigger discount. The same discount on 1 is reasonable to expect on multiples as they sell well vs full bracelet models.

tng11 · 22 February 2018, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by tyler1980

in london you would be lucky with 5% on a OF daytona. US seems like its a bit easier but i doubt most could get a big discount.

I just dont think buying more necessarily ensures a bigger discount. The same discount on 1 is reasonable to expect on multiples.

I have heard of 22% off on the WG Daytona but this individual is a super-duper VVVVVIP. For a pleb like me, I was offered a big fat zero percent discount on that model at the 3 ADs I inquired with in Toronto.

1William · 22 February 2018, 09:41 PM

20% is the standard discount on PM watches at most AD's if you have a history and are going to buy. For 7 watches I would think that 22-25% would be reasonable and they could take a white and black face Daytona out of the safe and sell them to you at retail. I would not go on a list for the Daytona's and I would make my purchase on the condition that the Daytona's are delivered at the same time as the PM watches. This is a transaction that could be put together.

joli160 · 22 February 2018, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starwalker

I would say 35% off lists plus both daytona's at retail. They should be able to arrange it. If not, I would go to a grey dealer that could do that for you.

Best I got grey was 30%

T3F · 23 February 2018, 02:36 AM

A few have suggested asking grey dealers to do this. I'm sure they could get me a good deal on the OF Daytonas, but would they really sell me two SS Daytonas at retail? It seems like they'd be giving up ~$14k in profit between the two.

watchwatcher · 23 February 2018, 02:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HL65

Don't count on an AD working for 3% on the PM's. Also I wouldn't count on the 116500's any time soon either as my guess is you will be sorely disappointed.

Yeah...I would be surprised if either happened.

rossi46 · 23 February 2018, 02:51 AM

No chance of discount on Oysterflex Daytonas in the NYC area, no matter how many you're buying. These aren't out on display and have waiting list - not as bad as SS, but still very much in demand.

20% off and an SS at list "tomorrow" sounds like a great deal to me (assuming no taxes).

doboy007 · 23 February 2018, 03:09 AM

I doubt even Wynn can fill 7 WG OF watches at once.

MonBK · 23 February 2018, 03:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starwalker

I would say 35% off lists plus both daytona's at retail. They should be able to arrange it. If not, I would go to a grey dealer that could do that for you.

Sounds about right and if you buy 14 watches you get 70% off.

sgwatch · 23 February 2018, 03:50 AM

I think the dealer pays 63% of retail these days (up from 60% a few years ago). A discount should take that into account. I can't imagine a 35% discount, with the dealer making 2%.

myporsche · 23 February 2018, 04:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GB-man

I think you could get 7 of them at 20% off and both 116500 at retail from many AD.

Go in person and put your credit card on the table for the sum. You will have your watches soon.

I know I could get it done.

If an AD offered me 20% discount for buying 7 PM's I would literally laugh in their face and walk out.

tyler1980 · 23 February 2018, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by myporsche

If an AD offered me 20% discount for buying 7 PM's I would literally laugh in their face and walk out.

you are getting a bigger discount margin than their profit margin at 20%. So even then, you are coming out more ahead than them. Your overhead costs are zero too.

The OF daytona is also very popular and they dont need help with moving those currently.

22 February 2018, 03:03 PM	#1
T3F "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: USA Posts: 457	Questions on Bulk Rolex Order Long story short, I'm considering at buying 7 of either the WG Oysterflex Daytona (ref. 116519LN) or the WG blue Submariner (ref. 116619LB) (and no, they wouldn't all be for me...). The first question I had was on pricing - it seems like 20% on PM models is fairly standard, but do you think it would be reasonable to shoot for more given the quantity that I'm buying? Also, I've wanted the SS Daytonas for quite a while and think it would be reasonable to ask to get both a white and black dial within a reasonably short timeframe (a few months). I haven't yet discussed this with the AD, but they know that I want a Daytona and said that an order like this would "move me higher on the list." This sort of response shocked me a bit -- I feel like asking for both, let alone just one, in this scenario isn't that ridiculous, but I wanted to hear what you all thought. Thanks! EDIT: They don't have these in stock, but said they could order pretty easily with delivery in ~2 months. __________________ Instagram: @watchadmiral

22 February 2018, 03:14 PM	#2
GB-man 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: USA Watch: addiction issues Posts: 37,320	I think you could get 7 of them at 20% off and both 116500 at retail from many AD. Go in person and put your credit card on the table for the sum. You will have your watches soon. I know I could get it done. __________________

22 February 2018, 03:22 PM	#3
coralfarmer84 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: United States Watch: Rolex, PP Posts: 1,198	I would think if you were buying 7 PM models you should be able to get 25-30 percent off no problem and the next ss Daytona they get in. if you settled for 20% off they better have both ss Daytona’s waiting at pickup same day as the other 7. __________________ Work hard in silence. Let your success make the noise

22 February 2018, 03:45 PM	#7
henrylee "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Socal/LA Watch: 116610LN Ceramic Posts: 3,223	I would call around other ADs as well and see what business they have to offer. With this deal they should be coming to you. __________________ ♛ Sub 116610LN 2011 ♛ GMT 126710BLNR 2021 ♛ GMT 126711CHNR 2020 ♛ Datejust 16233 X-series 1993 Ω Speedmaster Mitsukoshi 2019 č Cartier Tank w5200025 2021

22 February 2018, 04:05 PM	#9
Uppersouth 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Real Name: Lee Location: Kentucky Watch: SWISS Posts: 1,562	I think a good AD can come up with the seven of your choice at 30% off. I think it’s a reasonable request to get both SS Daytona’s at MSRP. If you have trouble making it happen at those numbers, send me a PM and I’ll give you the name of an AD that’ll do it. __________________ Two roads diverged in a wood, and I— I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference. -ROBERT FROST

22 February 2018, 03:31 PM	#4
Rocket_Man "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Houston TX Posts: 1,332	I'd be surprised that a single AD would have that kind of stock to sell, even in PM. If you bought 7 PM models at one time I'd expect more than 20%. Keep in mind they paid ~60% for them and generally they are not fast movers. They have more to give, especially if you took your purchase to a competing AD. But I think you will run into the 'not enough stock' problem if you want to buy all these from a single AD. You might have to be patient.

22 February 2018, 03:36 PM	#5
asiparks "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Portland, OR Watch: ing the Detectives Posts: 1,888	I thought this was going to be another "Rolex at Costco" thread.....

22 February 2018, 03:57 PM	#8
roger0770 Banned Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: On Earth Watch: A Few Posts: 1,510	It depends where you are. Markets like NYC, LA, and etc. ADs have clients who buy 6+ watches a year. If it was a small market area, I am sure things would move much quicker.

22 February 2018, 04:39 PM	#10
sensui 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 12,437	I must be talking to the wrong ADs if 20% off PM is a normal discount lol......here I thought 10-15% is normal/good with a relation.

22 February 2018, 04:54 PM	#11
Justindo "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: California Posts: 2,176	If I were buying those watches at once, I would expect 30% off and both Daytona's at MSRP.

22 February 2018, 05:10 PM	#13
T3F "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: USA Posts: 457	Thanks for the responses thus far. I think I'm going to ask for 25% and the two SS Daytonas at MSRP, although I'm not confident I'll get that given how they acted today. If anyone has suggestions for other ADs, feel free to PM me. __________________ Instagram: @watchadmiral

22 February 2018, 06:55 PM	#14
wytrader "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: EU Watch: SD Posts: 583	Just out of curiosity is the 116519LN on oysterflex a watch AD's can just order and expect to get 7 of? Smurf I realise should never be an issue. __________________ 116520 116710LN, 116710BLNR 16600 V NIB, 116660, 116660, 116600, 126600, 126660, 126660, 126603 126610LV

22 February 2018, 07:16 PM	#15
Starwalker "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: aroundtheworld Watch: SS Daytona - BLACK Posts: 2,261	I would say 35% off lists plus both daytona's at retail. They should be able to arrange it. If not, I would go to a grey dealer that could do that for you. __________________ 116520 Black - 116500 White - 116713LN - 116613LB - Panerai 389 - Chopard Mille Miglia GMT Chronograph - Chopard LUC Sport 2000 - Moser Pioneer Centre Seconds

22 February 2018, 08:18 PM	#18
tng11 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: N/A Posts: 3,634	Are ADs even giving significant discounts (i.e. the standard PM discount) on the WG Oysterflex Daytona? I know they're still in high demand from ADs around the world, many don't have them in display cases and are maintaining waitlists for them. That would lead me to believe the AD can't just wave a wand and get 7 in one whack. One AD that I talked to that normally gives pretty good discounts on PM refused to discount on either the YG or WG Oysterflex Daytonas when I asked. Smurf is a different story - I'd expect 30% off for those.

22 February 2018, 09:41 PM	#21
1William 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: North Carolina Watch: Rolex/Others Posts: 47,580	20% is the standard discount on PM watches at most AD's if you have a history and are going to buy. For 7 watches I would think that 22-25% would be reasonable and they could take a white and black face Daytona out of the safe and sell them to you at retail. I would not go on a list for the Daytona's and I would make my purchase on the condition that the Daytona's are delivered at the same time as the PM watches. This is a transaction that could be put together.

23 February 2018, 02:36 AM	#23
T3F "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Location: USA Posts: 457	A few have suggested asking grey dealers to do this. I'm sure they could get me a good deal on the OF Daytonas, but would they really sell me two SS Daytonas at retail? It seems like they'd be giving up ~$14k in profit between the two. __________________ Instagram: @watchadmiral

23 February 2018, 02:51 AM	#25
rossi46 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: Dan Location: CT, by a lake Watch: 16570 Posts: 1,544	No chance of discount on Oysterflex Daytonas in the NYC area, no matter how many you're buying. These aren't out on display and have waiting list - not as bad as SS, but still very much in demand. 20% off and an SS at list "tomorrow" sounds like a great deal to me (assuming no taxes). __________________ A watch is about the entire package, not just its appearance. Any large watch company not making its own movement is not making a watch at all; they’re just playing dress-up. --The Watch Snob

23 February 2018, 03:09 AM	#26
doboy007 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: SD, CA Watch: BLNR/LVc/SkyD/ND41 Posts: 2,519	I doubt even Wynn can fill 7 WG OF watches at once.

23 February 2018, 03:50 AM	#28
sgwatch "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Seattle Posts: 432	I think the dealer pays 63% of retail these days (up from 60% a few years ago). A discount should take that into account. I can't imagine a 35% discount, with the dealer making 2%.

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