What would you do? 5712 vs 5712R

[ddv]

Here is my situation. I have a deposit with my AD for a 5712 in SS. He was just informed that they will be getting only 2 (they usually get 4) for all of 2018. I was originally told that I would be getting one in 2018 but with them only getting 2 for the year he thinks that I may not now. He offered me the next 5712R they get with a 10% discount. It would be 39k+ after discounting which would make it the same price as a new SS 5712. I'm not sure I really want the 5712 on a strap but at this price I'm extremely tempted. There is still the chance I would get one of the two SS 5712. What should I do?

[tng11]

Do you really want or like the 5712R? I'd typically recommend against buying something as a "consolation prize" to something you wanted in the first place.

I got a call for one today and decided to pass. It's not my first choice and I want to be damn sure I like the piece if I'm spending $40K. The 5712R is quite a bit different than the SS - RG is not suitable for my lifestyle, and it doesn't have a bracelet, which is a crucial part of a Nautilus for me.

I know in this crazy market people are getting their hands on whatever they are offered (Patek must be rubbing their hands at this) like it's a Black Friday sale, but $40K is a lot to spend on something you are lukewarm on.

[AK797]

I would probably wait for the 5712, as the R's dial is more grey than brown so wasn't for me, but otherwise it is a beautiful piece.

[Ichiran]

I was offered the 5712 3 times and the 5711 white 2 times by my AD before I received my 5711 blue. I have always wanted the 5711 blue and I stood my grounds with the AD.

Fast forward now, I'm very glad I chose to wait for the piece I really wanted.
I still remember the day I received my 5711 blue, as it was among the happiest days of my life (sorry this sounds superficial, but it is truthful).

[kneedeep]

Wait on what you really want.

[Watch Admirer]

5712R for better value for money


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[GB-man]

Wait it out.

[soundserious]

Stick to precious metal, and there is no metal more valuable than stainless steel in the Patek universe right now.

[ddv]

I'm glad so many of you are pushing me to wait. That was what I was leaning towards. I love the idea of rose gold and the value play but my first love was the SS and the blue dial. Hopefully my AD will be willing to allocate one of the 2 SS 5712 to me.

[Custom02]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

I was offered the 5712 3 times and the 5711 white 2 times by my AD before I received my 5711 blue. I have always wanted the 5711 blue and I stood my grounds with the AD.

Fast forward now, I'm very glad I chose to wait for the piece I really wanted.
I still remember the day I received my 5711 blue, as it was among the happiest days of my life (sorry this sounds superficial, but it is truthful).

Just out of interest, Ichiran- how long ago did you get your 5711? I'm assuming this must have been a least a few years ago when Nautiluses were more plentiful. Well done standing your ground.

[Ichiran]

Originally Posted by Custom02

Just out of interest, Ichiran- how long ago did you get your 5711? I'm assuming this must have been a least a few years ago when Nautiluses were more plentiful. Well done standing your ground.

Thanks mate. I got it last Nov (2017)

I received the call 2 weeks before that from my AD, and the built-up during the 2 weeks was excruciating. Kept thinking "what-if" or "what-could-go-wrong" scenarios, but thank God when I held it in my hand at the promised time. The bracelet sizing was done promptly as no 1.5 link was required.

I thought the instance I first wore my 5711, it felt exactly like the first time I carry my newborn son. No other watches felt the same way.

Thanks to my AD, I also received the Patek Philippe autobiography by Nicholas Foulkes. It was a very generous gift and I left a very ecstatic customer.

[Custom02]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

Thanks mate. I got it last Nov (2017)

I received the call 2 weeks before that from my AD, and the built-up during the 2 weeks was excruciating. Kept thinking "what-if" or "what-could-go-wrong" scenarios, but thank God when I held it in my hand at the promised time. The bracelet sizing was done promptly as no 1.5 link was required.

I thought the instance I first wore my 5711, it felt exactly like the first time I carry my newborn son. No other watches felt the same way.

Thanks to my AD, I also received the Patek Philippe autobiography by Nicholas Foulkes. It was a very generous gift and I left a very ecstatic customer.

Thank you for your prompt reply. With so many people struggling to get hold of a Nautilus of any description, I'm guessing you must have had a pretty solid relationship with your AD already in place in order to have been shown a 5712(arguably the 2nd most in demand model after the 5711 blue) more than once. Was it a SS 5712 they offered you?

[Ichiran]

Originally Posted by Custom02

Thank you for your prompt reply. With so many people struggling to get hold of a Nautilus of any description, I'm guessing you must have had a pretty solid relationship with your AD already in place in order to have been shown a 5712(arguably the 2nd most in demand model after the 5711 blue) more than once. Was it a SS 5712 they offered you?

Yes it was the 5712 in SS (5712/1A-001). I was smitten with the 5712 too, but between the 5711 blue and 5712, I could only have 1. I ended up choosing the 5711 blue as I prefer a simpler dial that shows more of the irresistible blue dial. More blue bang for my buck

I reckon my relationship with my AD is enough for 1 popular Nautilus only.

[Custom02]

Originally Posted by Ichiran

Yes it was the 5712 in SS (5712/1A-001). I was smitten with the 5712 too, but between the 5711 blue and 5712, I could only have 1. Hence, I chose the 5711 blue as I prefer a simpler dial that shows more of the irresistible blue dial. More blue bang for my buck

I reckon my relationship with my AD is enough for 1 popular Nautilus only.

Back in 2013 I had a similar situation in reverse!! At that stage knowing very little about PP or Nautiluses I walked into the PP salon in London (where they had virtually every model in stock apart from 5711 blue) and bought a 5712 blue which I was/am quite happy with. Then 4 months later I was back buying a 5196J calatrava and they offered me a 5711 blue on the spot- which I turned down on the basis it was crazy to have two fairly high priced watches that are so similar. I know that seems an insane thing to have done in hindsight!!

[Ichiran]

Originally Posted by Custom02

Back in 2013 I had a similar situation in reverse!! At that stage knowing very little about PP or Nautiluses I walked into the PP salon in London (where they had virtually every model in stock apart from 5711 blue) and bought a 5712 blue which I was/am quite happy with. Then 4 months later I was back buying a 5196J calatrava and they offered me a 5711 blue on the spot- which I turned down on the basis it was crazy to have two fairly high priced watches that are so similar. I know that seems an insane thing to have done in hindsight!!

[Passionata]

Wait ,strap isn t the best option for the 12 imho

[henry333]

That's a good discount. Do anyone know if 10% is normal for a 5712r . Especially now a days.

It really depends if you love the R. SS is hard to compare with rose gold. And on strap it's almost a different watch.

[enjoythemusic]

Get what YOU want. 10% discount for RG is quite low. If you really want to compromise and get the RG version (don't but ok if you insist), then perhaps 25% off is more in-tune with pricing imho as it is not the timepiece you want, and they want to move it.

Personally, just wait for the SS because that's the timepiece you want and have waited for.

[AK797]

Originally Posted by henry333

That's a good discount. Do anyone know if 10% is normal for a 5712r . Especially now a days.

It really depends if you love the R. SS is hard to compare with rose gold. And on strap it's almost a different watch.

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Get what YOU want. 10% discount for RG is quite low. If you really want to compromise and get the RG version (don't but ok if you insist), then perhaps 25% off is more in-tune with pricing imho as it is not the timepiece you want, and they want to move it.

Personally, just wait for the SS because that's the timepiece you want and have waited for.

Yes, 10% should not be a factor, maybe at 20% and you do some cost benefit analysis.

[iceman1118]

A brand new 5712R just got posted in the for sale section for $57,500. Crazy.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by iceman1118

A brand new 5712R just got posted in the for sale section for $57,500. Crazy.

stating average wait time for a Nautilus is 2 to 5 years in the listing is a bit misleading... does not apply to that watch at all.

Is that the situation anywhere?

[gmstevenson]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

stating average wait time for a Nautilus is 2 to 5 years in the listing is a bit misleading... does not apply to that watch at all.

Is that the situation anywhere?

I don't think so. I've been told by a couple ADs that the craziness impacts the steel Nautilus models and that PM is not the same.

[pam66]

when the hype will be over, the 5711A will just be a nice steel watch. its only 'thing' is the connection to the original genta piece. the 5712R is a beautiful piece of its own right with a superior micro-rotor movement. its dial is not just grey, it changes color beautifully according to the external light.
a few months back i met someone with a 5711A blue on a plane and we compared his watch and my 5711R. after this i wondered why the A is now almost as expensive than the R, which is clearly more desirable (also in the A-owner's opinion:::))) in my view it is just blown out of proportion....
to be honest, the only disadvantage of the 5712R is that its deployant buckle is not really comfy, particularly if your wrist is small.
disclaimer: i own both 5711R and 5712R:::)))

[tng11]

Originally Posted by iceman1118

A brand new 5712R just got posted in the for sale section for $57,500. Crazy.

That seller, respectfully, is dreaming. I expect to see them bumping their ad a few dozen times. PM Nautilus is nowhere near the hype of SS. In December I saw pretty decent stock of PM Nautilus at an AD. I was only on the list for the 5712R for 2 months before getting the call. Discounts are still being offered per the OP. So to ask a 30% premium over list is absolutely unrealistic.

[Tay821]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

stating average wait time for a Nautilus is 2 to 5 years in the listing is a bit misleading... does not apply to that watch at all.

Is that the situation anywhere?

Hardly. I could get a 5712R at retail right now if I wanted

[pam66]

Originally Posted by Tay821

Hardly. I could get a 5712R at retail right now if I wanted

yes, but that applies to most pateks, except the steel watches, the 5524 and the minute repeaters.

[Tay821]

Originally Posted by pam66

yes, but that applies to most pateks, except the steel watches, the 5524 and the minute repeaters.

Fully understand. Most of us know what models are in demand and what aren't. While growing in popularity given the current supply/demand of steel the 5712R still can be had at retail and at many places a slight discount.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by Tay821

Fully understand. Most of us know what models are in demand and what aren't. While growing in popularity given the current supply/demand of steel the 5712R still can be had at retail and at many places a slight discount.

yeah... thats why i was saying the seller who is conducting business on a WIS forum and implies that that model has a 2 to 5 year wait list and is selling it above retail isnt going to have many takers.

[dysondiver]

wait , and at the same time have a wee look about , buy what you really really want ,,,

[rebel_1]

I went with the 5712r a couple of years ago. I personally prefer the RG. My dail is brown though, not even close to gray. The strap took a little while to get comfortable, I’ll admit. It’s also not alway very comfortable, but neither is my 5726 on bracelet. The lack of micro adjustment makes both of these problematic IMHO. But they do make a great pair!