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floraneg · 17 April 2018, 12:03 PM

Forgive me if this sounds stupid, but I've been thinking of experimenting with a nano ceramic coating to apply to some of my ss datejust watches to help avoid scratches. I have had ceramic coating applied to some of my cars and it really cuts down on swirl marks and scratches from regular washing.

It hit me today as I was sitting at my desk, why not apply it to the clasp of the oyster bracelet and see what it does. I'm no chemist, but does anyone have any background with chemistry to talk me out of trying it?

dkg1616 · 17 April 2018, 12:06 PM

Test on a dummy watch first...

I, personally, would never do that to any of my watches

Jidonsu · 17 April 2018, 12:14 PM

I think that the automative coatings that you're thinking are formulated to bond with the clear coat/paint that's already on the car, and I don't know that it'll will react the same way with the bare metal. It's really a sacrificial layer. It will eventually scratch, but you can remove that thin layer and reapply a new coating every x number of years without removing too much of the base clear coat. By the same token, you can probably apply a sacrificial layer to the clasp of the watch too. Maybe an acrylic spray?

2th_doc · 17 April 2018, 12:23 PM

This thread could get interesting. Lol

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ernie2 · 17 April 2018, 01:27 PM

come think of it. may be clear nail polish is quick and easy

Khans14 · 17 April 2018, 01:33 PM

Anytime I have ever come up with a new, smart idea to do something like this it has never turned out well. Literally, not a single time. I wish you luck with it and hopefully someone on here can hep you with some information.

bruinmd · 17 April 2018, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jidonsu

I think that the automative coatings that you're thinking are formulated to bond with the clear coat/paint that's already on the car, and I don't know that it'll will react the same way with the bare metal. It's really a sacrificial layer. It will eventually scratch, but you can remove that thin layer and reapply a new coating every x number of years without removing too much of the base clear coat. By the same token, you can probably apply a sacrificial layer to the clasp of the watch too. Maybe an acrylic spray?

This.

I just had my M2 ceramic coated and you're exactly right-- the ceramic coat is designed to bond with the paint following a painstaking process to do a paint correction first.

To the OP-- no way in hell would I allow that to be done to any of my watches, even if someone out there who does it for a living assured me it would be ok

meganfox17 · 17 April 2018, 02:51 PM

Did it cross your mind that the forum of choice for discussions on nano-ceramic coating on watches is the Watchuseek Forum?

Having said that, I'll tell you what it does from my limited experience.I bought my VW Golf R MKVII in 2015 and after a few weeks found a reputable local dealer specializing in nano ceramic coating so I decided to treat my car to some fancy "polymer premium waxing" alternative.
You need to remember that nano ceramic nonmetal molecules form cross link of covalent bonds (by sharing electrons) with the non-metal molecules of the factory paint of a car. By logic, you're hoping for an ionic bond (via exchanging electrons) between the oystersteel of a Rolex and the nano ceramic non-metal molecules.
The question is would it work? I don't know the answer and don't even want to guess but I can tell you that stories glorifying total scratch resistance of a car after ceramic coating is Bullocks!! Of course it also depends how the detailing was done but again, nano ceramic coating is not total scratch free.Heck ! My Golf R inspite of nano ceramic coating still has lots of scratches on the lower bumper front and rear, OK.. there are a couple of scratches on the body too...

Tomas Eriksson · 17 April 2018, 03:15 PM

Probably works but ceramic coating is softer than most think and would probably not offer much protection. I’m guessing you will get scratches in the coating almost straight away and that the coating would be hard to remove.

SearChart · 17 April 2018, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by meganfox17

Did it cross your mind that the forum of choice for discussions on nano-ceramic coating on watches is the Watchuseek Forum?

Having said that, I'll tell you what it does from my limited experience.I bought my VW Golf R MKVII in 2015 and after a few weeks found a reputable local dealer specializing in nano ceramic coating so I decided to treat my car to some fancy "polymer premium waxing" alternative.
You need to remember that nano ceramic nonmetal molecules form cross link of covalent bonds (by sharing electrons) with the non-metal molecules of the factory paint of a car. By logic, you're hoping for an ionic bond (via exchanging electrons) between the oystersteel of a Rolex and the nano ceramic non-metal molecules.
The question is would it work? I don't know the answer and don't even want to guess but I can tell you that stories glorifying total scratch resistance of a car after ceramic coating is Bullocks!! Of course it also depends how the detailing was done but again, nano ceramic coating is not total scratch free.Heck ! My Golf R inspite of nano ceramic coating still has lots of scratches on the lower bumper front and rear, OK.. there are a couple of scratches on the body too...

You really know everything huh? Damn

OP: as a watchmaker I would not be happy when a coated watch of some sort makes it to my bench for service.

Rocket_Man · 17 April 2018, 05:41 PM

I've applied nano coatings to several of our cars and it does help keep the cars clean and makes them easier to wash. It bonds to the factory clear coat as others have said. But it is not going to stop scratches from something rubbing against it. And I doubt it is going to bond with 904L.

When I was in military school I used to coat my freshly polished brass with 'Hard as Nails' clear nail polish. It kept the tarnish away and didn't have to polish so often. Other clear nail polish does not work. Accept no substitutes! My wife has an engagement ring and wedding ring that were made to match. I 'glue' them together with Hard As Nails. It makes them into one ring and wears better. You can separate them pretty easily, and clean the nail polish away with polish remover. The rings are Platinum.

I'd try Hard As nails on the clasp. It may look a little crude, but it would protect from scratches. And you could remove it if you don't like it. Sort of a trade off, scratches or nail polish.

You can buy watch 'stickers' from watch parts supply places and just re-sticker the clasp.

Onikage · 17 April 2018, 05:59 PM

Bad idea. When it does come off (it will) it won't do so evenly. You'll have to either repaint it or strip it back to bare metal.. just a pain in the backside. It will create uneven wear and look funny. Really have you considered how the coronet (most prominent thing and first to wear through) is going to look when you start coating it with stuff? Stripping the stuff from that won't be easy.

Bt122 · 17 April 2018, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by meganfox17

Did it cross your mind that the forum of choice for discussions on nano-ceramic coating on watches is the Watchuseek Forum?

Having said that, I'll tell you what it does from my limited experience.I bought my VW Golf R MKVII in 2015 and after a few weeks found a reputable local dealer specializing in nano ceramic coating so I decided to treat my car to some fancy "polymer premium waxing" alternative.
You need to remember that nano ceramic nonmetal molecules form cross link of covalent bonds (by sharing electrons) with the non-metal molecules of the factory paint of a car. By logic, you're hoping for an ionic bond (via exchanging electrons) between the oystersteel of a Rolex and the nano ceramic non-metal molecules.
The question is would it work? I don't know the answer and don't even want to guess but I can tell you that stories glorifying total scratch resistance of a car after ceramic coating is Bullocks!! Of course it also depends how the detailing was done but again, nano ceramic coating is not total scratch free.Heck ! My Golf R inspite of nano ceramic coating still has lots of scratches on the lower bumper front and rear, OK.. there are a couple of scratches on the body too...

Out of all this I am just impressed you bought a Golf R. I had a MkVI. Gone though... but not before I went to stage 2+ and then some. That was a fun car.

beshannon · 17 April 2018, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by floraneg

Forgive me if this sounds stupid, but I've been thinking of experimenting with a nano ceramic coating to apply to some of my ss datejust watches to help avoid scratches. I have had ceramic coating applied to some of my cars and it really cuts down on swirl marks and scratches from regular washing.

It hit me today as I was sitting at my desk, why not apply it to the clasp of the oyster bracelet and see what it does. I'm no chemist, but does anyone have any background with chemistry to talk me out of trying it?

Given the process to apply a ceramic nano coat to my car (3 days) and the upkeep required, this would be a really bad idea.

Not sure why you are trying to do this to a piece of jewelry?

brandrea · 17 April 2018, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SearChart

You really know everything huh? Damn

OP: as a watchmaker I would not be happy when a coated watch of some sort makes it to my bench for service.

Just out of curiosity Bas, would Rolex require that the coating be removed at time of service

beshannon · 17 April 2018, 09:07 PM

Already being discussed

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...hlight=ceramic

Bt122 · 17 April 2018, 09:08 PM

Be easier to just learn to polish it with jewelers rouge? White for stainless reddish brown for others

SearChart · 17 April 2018, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brandrea

Just out of curiosity Bas, would Rolex require that the coating be removed at time of service

Of course.

mountainjogger · 18 April 2018, 12:07 AM

I do hope that you are not serious.

Bleu370z · 18 April 2018, 02:19 AM

Why don't you just put a protective films? I know most of trf members hate or think crazy to put a protective films but to each his own. Here are some pics of my blnr with clear protective films on.

Bigblu10 · 18 April 2018, 02:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by floraneg

Forgive me if this sounds stupid, but I've been thinking of experimenting with a nano ceramic coating to apply to some of my ss datejust watches to help avoid scratches. I have had ceramic coating applied to some of my cars and it really cuts down on swirl marks and scratches from regular washing.

It hit me today as I was sitting at my desk, why not apply it to the clasp of the oyster bracelet and see what it does. I'm no chemist, but does anyone have any background with chemistry to talk me out of trying it?

If you let scratches on a watch (which are inevitable by the way) consume you and you start scheming ways to prevent them, you really should not be wearing the watch. There is no way possible you will get any enjoyment from the hobby. Learn to let go!

Ssunnylee24 · 18 April 2018, 02:28 AM

Protective films? Come on, wear the watch!

watchwatcher · 18 April 2018, 03:13 AM

No. Just no.

FTX I · 18 April 2018, 03:29 AM

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oldman2005 · 18 April 2018, 03:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bleu370z

Why don't you just put a protective films? I know most of trf members hate or think crazy to put a protective films but to each his own. Here are some pics of my blnr with clear protective films on.

Wow! Were they pre-cut?

Bleu370z · 18 April 2018, 04:06 AM

Yep pre-cut.

SearChart · 18 April 2018, 04:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bleu370z

Why don't you just put a protective films? I know most of trf members hate or think crazy to put a protective films but to each his own. Here are some pics of my blnr with clear protective films on.

Just looks very odd IMO.

S-F · 18 April 2018, 04:28 AM

Adams has a ceramic wheel coating that is designed to work on bare aluminum wheels, but it says it can add undesirable amounts of gloss to matte or satin finishes. I wouldn't use it on a watch, I would just live with what happens and fix it if it starts to bother you.

Onikage · 18 April 2018, 05:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bleu370z

Why don't you just put a protective films? I know most of trf members hate or think crazy to put a protective films but to each his own. Here are some pics of my blnr with clear protective films on.

This has to be the saddest thing I've seen for a while. What are you doing? It's a SS, sapphire and ceramic Rolex. I could weep. I really could.

mountainjogger · 18 April 2018, 05:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onikage

This has to be the saddest thing I've seen for a while. What are you doing? It's a SS, sapphire and ceramic Rolex. I could weep. I really could.

17 April 2018, 12:03 PM	#1
floraneg "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Louisiana Posts: 223	Ceramic Coating Forgive me if this sounds stupid, but I've been thinking of experimenting with a nano ceramic coating to apply to some of my ss datejust watches to help avoid scratches. I have had ceramic coating applied to some of my cars and it really cuts down on swirl marks and scratches from regular washing. It hit me today as I was sitting at my desk, why not apply it to the clasp of the oyster bracelet and see what it does. I'm no chemist, but does anyone have any background with chemistry to talk me out of trying it?

17 April 2018, 12:14 PM	#3
Jidonsu "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: United States Posts: 258	I think that the automative coatings that you're thinking are formulated to bond with the clear coat/paint that's already on the car, and I don't know that it'll will react the same way with the bare metal. It's really a sacrificial layer. It will eventually scratch, but you can remove that thin layer and reapply a new coating every x number of years without removing too much of the base clear coat. By the same token, you can probably apply a sacrificial layer to the clasp of the watch too. Maybe an acrylic spray? __________________ Current Collection Audemars Piguet Royal Oak 15400 \| Rolex 114060 \| Rolex 116710BLNR \| Tudor Black Bay GMT \| Tudor Pelagos Blue \| IWC Mark XVIII Le Petit Prince \|

17 April 2018, 03:15 PM	#9
Tomas Eriksson "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Stockholm Watch: 15707CE Posts: 2,027	Probably works but ceramic coating is softer than most think and would probably not offer much protection. I’m guessing you will get scratches in the coating almost straight away and that the coating would be hard to remove. __________________ State of the union: 5066A,15400ST,15707CE,116610LN,26470OR and a few other…

17 April 2018, 05:59 PM	#12
Onikage "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: England Watch: 16710, 16628 Posts: 7,757	Bad idea. When it does come off (it will) it won't do so evenly. You'll have to either repaint it or strip it back to bare metal.. just a pain in the backside. It will create uneven wear and look funny. Really have you considered how the coronet (most prominent thing and first to wear through) is going to look when you start coating it with stuff? Stripping the stuff from that won't be easy. __________________ GMT II 16710 TRADITIONAL ( D- Serial #) ROLEXFANBOY P-Club Member #4

17 April 2018, 09:07 PM	#16
beshannon "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: Brian Location: Northern Virginia Watch: One of Not Many Posts: 17,892	Already being discussed https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...hlight=ceramic __________________ IWC Portugieser 7 Day, Omega Seamaster SMP300m, Vacheron Constantin Traditionnelle Complete Calendar, Glashutte PanoInverse, Glashutte SeaQ Panorama Date, Omega Aqua Terra 150, Omega CK 859, Omega Speedmaster 3861 Moonwatch, Breitling Superocean Steelfish, JLC Atmos Transparent Clock

17 April 2018, 12:06 PM	#2
dkg1616 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 1,619	Test on a dummy watch first... I, personally, would never do that to any of my watches

17 April 2018, 12:23 PM	#4
2th_doc "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Atl Posts: 920	This thread could get interesting. Lol Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

17 April 2018, 01:27 PM	#5
ernie2 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Real Name: Arnold Location: New York Watch: SD4K+BLNR Posts: 849	come think of it. may be clear nail polish is quick and easy

17 April 2018, 01:33 PM	#6
Khans14 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 338	Anytime I have ever come up with a new, smart idea to do something like this it has never turned out well. Literally, not a single time. I wish you luck with it and hopefully someone on here can hep you with some information.

17 April 2018, 02:51 PM	#8
meganfox17 Banned Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Kuala Lumpur , Ma Posts: 2,011	Did it cross your mind that the forum of choice for discussions on nano-ceramic coating on watches is the Watchuseek Forum? Having said that, I'll tell you what it does from my limited experience.I bought my VW Golf R MKVII in 2015 and after a few weeks found a reputable local dealer specializing in nano ceramic coating so I decided to treat my car to some fancy "polymer premium waxing" alternative. You need to remember that nano ceramic nonmetal molecules form cross link of covalent bonds (by sharing electrons) with the non-metal molecules of the factory paint of a car. By logic, you're hoping for an ionic bond (via exchanging electrons) between the oystersteel of a Rolex and the nano ceramic non-metal molecules. The question is would it work? I don't know the answer and don't even want to guess but I can tell you that stories glorifying total scratch resistance of a car after ceramic coating is Bullocks!! Of course it also depends how the detailing was done but again, nano ceramic coating is not total scratch free.Heck ! My Golf R inspite of nano ceramic coating still has lots of scratches on the lower bumper front and rear, OK.. there are a couple of scratches on the body too...

17 April 2018, 05:41 PM	#11
Rocket_Man "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Houston TX Posts: 1,332	I've applied nano coatings to several of our cars and it does help keep the cars clean and makes them easier to wash. It bonds to the factory clear coat as others have said. But it is not going to stop scratches from something rubbing against it. And I doubt it is going to bond with 904L. When I was in military school I used to coat my freshly polished brass with 'Hard as Nails' clear nail polish. It kept the tarnish away and didn't have to polish so often. Other clear nail polish does not work. Accept no substitutes! My wife has an engagement ring and wedding ring that were made to match. I 'glue' them together with Hard As Nails. It makes them into one ring and wears better. You can separate them pretty easily, and clean the nail polish away with polish remover. The rings are Platinum. I'd try Hard As nails on the clasp. It may look a little crude, but it would protect from scratches. And you could remove it if you don't like it. Sort of a trade off, scratches or nail polish. You can buy watch 'stickers' from watch parts supply places and just re-sticker the clasp.

17 April 2018, 09:08 PM	#17
Bt122 Banned Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Bi coastal Watch: Ok...Watching Posts: 937	Be easier to just learn to polish it with jewelers rouge? White for stainless reddish brown for others

18 April 2018, 12:07 AM	#19
mountainjogger 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Real Name: H Location: North Carolina Watch: M99230B-0008 Posts: 5,675	I do hope that you are not serious. __________________ The King of Cool.

18 April 2018, 02:28 AM	#22
Ssunnylee24 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Los Angeles Watch: Explorer II Posts: 854	Protective films? Come on, wear the watch!

18 April 2018, 03:13 AM	#23
watchwatcher "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Larry Location: Kentucky Watch: Yes Posts: 35,002	No. Just no.

18 April 2018, 04:06 AM	#26
Bleu370z "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Richmond Posts: 43	Yep pre-cut.

18 April 2018, 04:28 AM	#28
S-F "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Texas Posts: 125	Adams has a ceramic wheel coating that is designed to work on bare aluminum wheels, but it says it can add undesirable amounts of gloss to matte or satin finishes. I wouldn't use it on a watch, I would just live with what happens and fix it if it starts to bother you.

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