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Gabe218 · 27 April 2018, 07:06 AM

The picture is of the movement inside a 9441/0 Tudor Submariner. Does the movement look suspicious to anyone? The font and colour of the text on the rotor looks wrong to me. Could it be a service replacement rotor? Does anything else stand out? Thanks in advance! IMG_1145.JPG IMG_1146.JPG

ink3027 · 27 April 2018, 07:15 AM

Is it just me or does that top picture look photoshopped?

D111s · 27 April 2018, 07:17 AM

Looks a bit plain to me, have a look on google images for movement pics and compare.

DPE · 27 April 2018, 07:46 AM

could be a Mickey Mouse watch ?

JayB · 27 April 2018, 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ink3027

Is it just me or does that top picture look photoshopped?

You're not alone here, I don't know if the movement is correct or not but the top pic just doesn't look right to me.

Rose Gold · 27 April 2018, 08:20 AM

It looks to me like the movement is angled in the case.

Gabe218 · 27 April 2018, 06:02 PM

It's a shame because it's a beautiful watch

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Gabe218 · 27 April 2018, 06:09 PM

I've just seen this: http://forums.watchuseek.com/f23/ori.../topics/671941
Now I'm really confused!!

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bonatto · 27 April 2018, 06:16 PM

Not sure if movement is correct for this particular watch, but found one with identical markings:

https://watchguy.co.uk/cgi-bin/libra...tos&wat_id=752

Re photo, it looks like someone simply took a photo with a loupe in front of the camera.

Gabe218 · 27 April 2018, 06:22 PM

Seller just sent me this picture. He confirms the other

picture was taken through a loupe.

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bonatto · 27 April 2018, 07:25 PM

One of the posts you linked referenced gasket on case as opposed to case back as being a sure tell sign of fake. Not sure if correct as I don't have the expertise, so something to investigate. Also, check year of watch vs year of 2784 movement I linked to see if there is manufacture date overlap.

fskywalker · 27 April 2018, 08:58 PM

Is the seller reputable? Store or individual? Buy the seller first

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Gabe218 · 28 April 2018, 11:07 PM

The seller is an Individual, but has a good reputation, good feedback etc. The problem is, the seller themselves might have total faith in the watch and not realise anything is amiss. I just can't seem to find any conclusive answers

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Gabe218 · 28 April 2018, 11:08 PM

Just seen this:
http://forums.watchuseek.com/f23/ori.../topics/671941
I'm well and truly lost!

Thanks again everyone for your help!

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freefly · 29 April 2018, 09:34 AM

That doesn't look like any 9411 case or movement I've seen. The case shouldn't have a gasket channel, and the movement should have an engraved rotor, not printed.
I've seen similar genuine Tudor movements with printed rotors, only in different/newer references. So, the movement could be OK, just not from a 9411.

Not sure what the deal is with the case. Could be fake, or from a different model, etc. Do you have any pics of the case reference and/or SN?

Gabe218 · 29 April 2018, 09:39 AM

Here's the eBay listing: https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F253587686670

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MinMay · 29 April 2018, 09:55 AM

When in doubt, then just skip.

Good luck.

77T · 29 April 2018, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gabe218

The seller is an Individual, but has a good reputation, good feedback etc. The problem is, the seller themselves might have total faith in the watch and not realise anything is amiss. I just can't seem to find any conclusive answers

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41 feedbacks doesn’t really help build confidence in the seller’s overall knowledge.

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Gabe218 · 29 April 2018, 10:09 AM

Of course, but he also sells on Chrono24 and operates from a store in Italy, so I have more confidence in him than the average seller. Unfortunately as I say, I've been unable to find a conclusive answer as there seems to be a lot of conflicting evidence.

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CorradoBrit · 29 April 2018, 12:16 PM

I'd be very careful buying from 'dealers' in Italy. Too many bad experiences reported and being on Chrono24 does nothing to improve your chances of a successful transaction.

jaspert · 30 April 2018, 06:49 PM

Fake dial ( text font is wrong and someone had a go at the date window, not bevelled) , hands ( wrong snowflake shape) , bezel, case / mid back looks wrong to me too . The movement might be salvaged from some other Tudor watch. Don't touch it.
So many of these appearing on eBay now.
Tried to report to eBay but eBay does not give a shit.

27 April 2018, 07:06 AM	#1
Gabe218 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Real Name: Gabe Location: United Kingdom Watch: 16610lv Kermit Posts: 77	Does this Tudor Submariner movement look suspicious? The picture is of the movement inside a 9441/0 Tudor Submariner. Does the movement look suspicious to anyone? The font and colour of the text on the rotor looks wrong to me. Could it be a service replacement rotor? Does anything else stand out? Thanks in advance! IMG_1145.JPG IMG_1146.JPG

27 April 2018, 08:20 AM	#6
Rose Gold "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Real Name: Joe Location: North Carolina Watch: er in the rye Posts: 234	It looks to me like the movement is angled in the case. __________________ 2018 Rose Gold Daytona (116505) with Rose Gold Dial and Black Sub-Dials.

27 April 2018, 08:58 PM	#12
fskywalker 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Real Name: Francisco Location: San Juan, PR Watch: Is Ticking ! Posts: 25,166	Is the seller reputable? Store or individual? Buy the seller first Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro __________________ Francisco ♛ 16610 / 116264 Ω 168.022 / 2535.80.00 / 310.30.42.50.01.002 / 210.90.42.20.01.001 Zenith 02.480.405 2FA security enabled

28 April 2018, 11:08 PM	#14
Gabe218 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Real Name: Gabe Location: United Kingdom Watch: 16610lv Kermit Posts: 77	Does this Tudor Submariner movement look suspicious? Just seen this: http://forums.watchuseek.com/f23/ori.../topics/671941 I'm well and truly lost! Thanks again everyone for your help! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

27 April 2018, 07:15 AM	#2
ink3027 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Texas Posts: 716	Is it just me or does that top picture look photoshopped?

27 April 2018, 07:17 AM	#3
D111s "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Hampshire UK Watch: A few Posts: 452	Looks a bit plain to me, have a look on google images for movement pics and compare.

27 April 2018, 07:46 AM	#4
DPE "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: uk Posts: 1,050	could be a Mickey Mouse watch ?

27 April 2018, 06:02 PM	#7
Gabe218 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Real Name: Gabe Location: United Kingdom Watch: 16610lv Kermit Posts: 77	It's a shame because it's a beautiful watch Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

27 April 2018, 06:09 PM	#8
Gabe218 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Real Name: Gabe Location: United Kingdom Watch: 16610lv Kermit Posts: 77	I've just seen this: http://forums.watchuseek.com/f23/ori.../topics/671941 Now I'm really confused!! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

27 April 2018, 06:16 PM	#9
bonatto "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: UK/EU Posts: 222	Not sure if movement is correct for this particular watch, but found one with identical markings: https://watchguy.co.uk/cgi-bin/libra...tos&wat_id=752 Re photo, it looks like someone simply took a photo with a loupe in front of the camera.

27 April 2018, 06:22 PM	#10
Gabe218 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Real Name: Gabe Location: United Kingdom Watch: 16610lv Kermit Posts: 77	Seller just sent me this picture. He confirms the other picture was taken through a loupe. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

27 April 2018, 07:25 PM	#11
bonatto "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: UK/EU Posts: 222	One of the posts you linked referenced gasket on case as opposed to case back as being a sure tell sign of fake. Not sure if correct as I don't have the expertise, so something to investigate. Also, check year of watch vs year of 2784 movement I linked to see if there is manufacture date overlap.

28 April 2018, 11:07 PM	#13
Gabe218 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Real Name: Gabe Location: United Kingdom Watch: 16610lv Kermit Posts: 77	The seller is an Individual, but has a good reputation, good feedback etc. The problem is, the seller themselves might have total faith in the watch and not realise anything is amiss. I just can't seem to find any conclusive answers Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

29 April 2018, 09:34 AM	#15
freefly "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: Eric Location: AZ Watch: 4&5-digit Sub/GMTs Posts: 1,974	That doesn't look like any 9411 case or movement I've seen. The case shouldn't have a gasket channel, and the movement should have an engraved rotor, not printed. I've seen similar genuine Tudor movements with printed rotors, only in different/newer references. So, the movement could be OK, just not from a 9411. Not sure what the deal is with the case. Could be fake, or from a different model, etc. Do you have any pics of the case reference and/or SN?

29 April 2018, 09:39 AM	#16
Gabe218 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Real Name: Gabe Location: United Kingdom Watch: 16610lv Kermit Posts: 77	Here's the eBay listing: https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F253587686670 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

29 April 2018, 09:55 AM	#17
MinMay Banned Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: United States Posts: 2,410	When in doubt, then just skip. Good luck.

29 April 2018, 10:09 AM	#19
Gabe218 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Real Name: Gabe Location: United Kingdom Watch: 16610lv Kermit Posts: 77	Of course, but he also sells on Chrono24 and operates from a store in Italy, so I have more confidence in him than the average seller. Unfortunately as I say, I've been unable to find a conclusive answer as there seems to be a lot of conflicting evidence. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

29 April 2018, 12:16 PM	#20
CorradoBrit "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Europe bound Posts: 1,410	I'd be very careful buying from 'dealers' in Italy. Too many bad experiences reported and being on Chrono24 does nothing to improve your chances of a successful transaction.

30 April 2018, 06:49 PM	#21
jaspert "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: Australia Watch: Pepsi,5513,Tudor Posts: 46	Fake dial ( text font is wrong and someone had a go at the date window, not bevelled) , hands ( wrong snowflake shape) , bezel, case / mid back looks wrong to me too . The movement might be salvaged from some other Tudor watch. Don't touch it. So many of these appearing on eBay now. Tried to report to eBay but eBay does not give a shit.

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