WG Pepsi--Why no 3285 movement?

[coxswain]

This bugs me. The new 116719BLRO (WG Pepsi with Blue dial) is still with the old 3186 movement. Why didn't Rolex equip it with the new 3285 movement, like 126715CHNR? Even the SS Pepsi has the new movement. Perhaps they didn't want to piss off the owners of the old 116719BLRO (with Black dial)?

I like the look of the Blue dial, but this old movement will certainly deter me from getting a new 116719BLRO. (BTW, 126715CHNR looks beautiful, and will be good with the new movement.)

[subtona]

It’s a good question, maybe it is simply a need to use up the available old movments?

[037]

ADs are likely still sitting on BLROs and a movement update would have instantly devalued them. As subtona mentioned above, the 11671x models will continue to burn up old movements. At some point we should see a change in most or all of the GMTs. 'When' is the question. Anything until then is speculation.

Luckily there's nothing wrong with the 3186. It's a solid movement.

[zjd168]

Rolex trying not to piss off current owners too much I guess.

[codecow]

The new movement has a 17 year wait.

[Roll the Lex]

I don't think Rolex cares about devaluing the model as much as using every last bit of inventory in the most efficient manner. And they should- they are just printing money.

Rolex could make a frankenwatch- put all the their parts in a bowl and pull random pieces one by one out- an oyster bracelet, YM 40mm case, sub caseback (145m WR), grape OP dial, triangle hour markers with the OP crown at 12 o'clock), the GMT hand as the hour hand, the milgauss lightning second hand, a Daytona minute hand, and so on and release it next year as the "Oysterwatch 40" printed on the dial using the excess green and yellow paint from the airking.

It will still make money. And the Greys will sell it at a premium when it is released.

[brandrea]

Disappointing for sure.

[Fabrice M]

Originally Posted by 037

ADs are likely still sitting on BLROs and a movement update would have instantly devalued them. As subtona mentioned above, the 11671x models will continue to burn up old movements. At some point we should see a change in most or all of the GMTs. 'When' is the question. Anything until then is speculation.

Luckily there's nothing wrong with the 3186. It's a solid movement.

That's very unlikely. AD's are supposed to send back any discontinued unsold watches.

[Jeffreyc87]

Because when the wg gmt finally gets the new movement it wii be in the introduction of the coke bezel.

[Bladeshot]

Originally Posted by Jeffreyc87

Because when the wg gmt finally gets the new movement it wii be in the introduction of the coke bezel.

Well that would be something! I would hate to see them do Red/Black in a PM. They could make so many more people happy with SS. As a WG BLRO owner I wish they had changed movements along with the blue dial. I won’t be getting a blue dial, but it would have made sense. FWIW, I have one because I like it. Any subsequent updates after the black dial don’t matter to me. I have what I like - black. What’s cool is that they will release new references. Something for everyone! Gives us lots of new topics.



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[Jack T]

Originally Posted by Fabrice M

That's very unlikely. AD's are supposed to send back any discontinued unsold watches.

I find that hard to believe, and I know for sure several AD’s that are not in compliance.

[coxswain]

Originally Posted by Jeffreyc87

Because when the wg gmt finally gets the new movement it wii be in the introduction of the coke bezel.

Then, will the GMT Coke come only in WG? Not in SS?

It will look like this, which is nice:





http://www.luxuryofwatches.com/rolex...UaAnCwEALw_wcB

[037]

Originally Posted by Fabrice M

That's very unlikely. AD's are supposed to send back any discontinued unsold watches.

Many here are still buying 116600 SDs and I know of at least one local AD with a white dial Milgauss in their case. Technically the WG BLRO with black dial is a goner yet many ADs are still sitting on them.

I've always heard that Rolex's only policy is to sell every watch they make. That makes it hard to believe there's a return policy for discontinued references. But, I'll certainly ask my AD next time I stop in and follow up with RUSA if they don't know. You've posted this many times lately, leaving me a bit curious.

[fishingbear]

Originally Posted by Fabrice M

That's very unlikely. AD's are supposed to send back any discontinued unsold watches.

This is not true.

[FinWatch]

Originally Posted by Bladeshot

Well that would be something! I would hate to see them do Red/Black in a PM. They could make so many more people happy with SS. As a WG BLRO owner I wish they had changed movements along with the blue dial. I won’t be getting a blue dial, but it would have made sense. FWIW, I have one because I like it. Any subsequent updates after the black dial don’t matter to me. I have what I like - black. What’s cool is that they will release new references. Something for everyone! Gives us lots of new topics.



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Great looking watch! What is your experience with that ”older” mechanism inside?


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[FinWatch]

Originally Posted by coxswain

This bugs me. The new 116719BLRO (WG Pepsi with Blue dial) is still with the old 3186 movement. Why didn't Rolex equip it with the new 3285 movement, like 126715CHNR? Even the SS Pepsi has the new movement. Perhaps they didn't want to piss off the owners of the old 116719BLRO (with Black dial)?

I like the look of the Blue dial, but this old movement will certainly deter me from getting a new 116719BLRO. (BTW, 126715CHNR looks beautiful, and will be good with the new movement.)

I am planning to buy this watch (New WG Gmt with blue dial): if you have any experience what are the major differences between 3186 and 3285 movements in everyday use, please share your experiences! And if you have new WG GMT with blue dial, pics please!


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[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by Fabrice M

That's very unlikely. AD's are supposed to send back any discontinued unsold watches.

this is probably related to the stuff your AD makes up thread from yesterday. This is why misinformation originating at the AD is bad. I know of an AD in london with a watch discontinued in 2012, and they still have it.

Originally Posted by fishingbear

This is not true.

yeah, they buy it, they own it, and Rolex is done with the watch at that point. Richemont does buy back watches though, but that is a different situation.

[wb55]

Originally Posted by Fabrice M

That's very unlikely. AD's are supposed to send back any discontinued unsold watches.

This is where you need to add “I have heard” as what you have said isn’t even 1% true.

[coxswain]

Originally Posted by FinWatch

I am planning to buy this watch (New WG Gmt with blue dial): if you have any experience what are the major differences between 3186 and 3285 movements in everyday use, please share your experiences! And if you have new WG GMT with blue dial, pics please!

The major difference between 3285 and 3186 is their power reserve: 70 hours (3285) versus 48 hours (3186). Rolex also claimed that this new 3285 is more shock-and-temperature-resistant than 3186. But they both are "-2/+2 sec per day" exact.

I don't have a GMT with 3285 yet. I'm leaning toward the full Everose gold 126715CHNR.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by coxswain

The major difference between 3285 and 3186 is their power reserve: 70 hours (3285) versus 48 hours (3186). Rolex also claimed that this new 3285 is more shock-and-temperature-resistant than 3186. But they both are "-2/+2 sec per day" exact.

I don't have a GMT with 3285 yet. I'm leaning toward the full Everose gold 126715CHNR.

PR is the only functional difference most anyone will ever even notice. Im a fan of the 70hr so IMO its worth it. The rest of the improvements, i could care less.

[Devildog]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

PR is the only functional difference most anyone will ever even notice. Im a fan of the 70hr so IMO its worth it. The rest of the improvements, i could care less.

Not you as well

[Rocket_Man]

I didn't think the 32xx movement was a drop in replacement for the 31xx movement. Wouldn't the case need modification to take the new movement? If so, they will find some reason to update the watch with the new movement and it will get a new reference number.

[aaamax]

Originally Posted by Roll the Lex

I don't think Rolex cares about devaluing the model as much as using every last bit of inventory in the most efficient manner. And they should- they are just printing money.

Rolex could make a frankenwatch- put all the their parts in a bowl and pull random pieces one by one out- an oyster bracelet, YM 40mm case, sub caseback (145m WR), grape OP dial, triangle hour markers with the OP crown at 12 o'clock), the GMT hand as the hour hand, the milgauss lightning second hand, a Daytona minute hand, and so on and release it next year as the "Oysterwatch 40" printed on the dial using the excess green and yellow paint from the airking.

It will still make money. And the Greys will sell it at a premium when it is released.

Talk about unique... lol
Way too adventurous for the Moco, but damn if I wouldn't buy one.

[FinWatch]

Originally Posted by coxswain

The major difference between 3285 and 3186 is their power reserve: 70 hours (3285) versus 48 hours (3186). Rolex also claimed that this new 3285 is more shock-and-temperature-resistant than 3186. But they both are "-2/+2 sec per day" exact.



I don't have a GMT with 3285 yet. I'm leaning toward the full Everose gold 126715CHNR.

Thanks! The power reserve is truly a difference—but I like the WG colours, so maby I am not trying to get another watch because of what is inside—outside matters more..?


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[henry333]

At first i was thinking about this too why upgrade only new models that came out. It just hit me that the new movement dont fit the old cases! Only new case that came out will fit. The wg Pepsi w blue dial is still the old case and all the others that has the new movement is all new. They have left over cases in wg. The rootbeer/chocolate milk and rg gmt is made new with internal that will fit the new movement only.

[coxswain]

Originally Posted by henry333

At first i was thinking about this too why upgrade only new models that came out. It just hit me that the new movement dont fit the old cases! Only new case that came out will fit. The wg Pepsi w blue dial is still the old case and all the others that has the new movement is all new. They have left over cases in wg. The rootbeer/chocolate milk and rg gmt is made new with internal that will fit the new movement only.

"They have left over cases in WG." You hit the nail on the head. Methinks that's the exact reason: Rolex wants to use up all the left-over WG cases.

[G'ed]

Rolex generally advertised new design but not new movement, they're pretty low-key about movement.

[PJitz]

Originally Posted by Fabrice M

That's very unlikely. AD's are supposed to send back any discontinued unsold watches.

You can’t be serious

[joli160]

Originally Posted by coxswain

I like the look of the Blue dial, but this old movement will certainly deter me from getting a new 116719BLRO. (BTW, 126715CHNR looks beautiful, and will be good with the new movement.)

Over the years Rolex updated movements all the time. Nobody really cares as pricing of vintage pieces reflect.
The existing 3186 is proven to be a very reliable engine and I would not take the movement into consideration when purchasing any Rolex. It's a non issue really imo.

[HL65]

Originally Posted by Fabrice M

That's very unlikely. AD's are supposed to send back any discontinued unsold watches.

Not true and I just saw one at my AD last week when I went to buy my 228206.