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rps13sr · 2 June 2018, 08:22 AM

Hi im about to purchase from a friend and want to make sure its real

rps13sr · 2 June 2018, 08:27 AM

this is what bothers me

GradyPhilpott · 2 June 2018, 09:47 AM

It looks good to me.

GLADIATOR · 2 June 2018, 10:27 AM

Watch is genuine.
Some "strange" corrosion or possible dirt to bracelet, that I would want to see.
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rps13sr · 2 June 2018, 10:31 AM

Wow. Thanks guys. I just have this nagging feeling that it’s not authentic. But I know where he purchased from etc. and the pictures seem off or I’m just being paranoid since this is a big purchase and potentially being fake and losing thousands.

GLADIATOR · 2 June 2018, 10:35 AM

I am pretty confident movement, dial case are genuine - no worries there.
Bracelet has some corrosion - not sure if its just dirt.
BUT
If you are NOT 100% sure and happy do NOT proceed
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rps13sr · 2 June 2018, 11:09 AM

Thanks. I got him to lower to $6500. Is that worth it for investment, or to flip after wearing it a while.

J_1964 · 2 June 2018, 11:14 AM

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this is what bothers me

Yeah, the crown side lug (Left) looks like it was Re-contoured/Polished eliminating the bevel on that side. This is not uncommon. That side is more prone to impacts and scratches that are subsequently polished out. The lug still looks pretty thick, so if you can get the price-point you like then......

GLADIATOR · 2 June 2018, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by rps13sr

Thanks. I got him to lower to $6500. Is that worth it for investment, or to flip after wearing it a while.

I think thats a pretty fair price for a GMTII

freefly · 2 June 2018, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by rps13sr

this is what bothers me

Just a shadow/highlight, IMO. Watch looks good, and case looks very strong (possibly unpolished).
Looks like the 9:00 side of the case even has the original sticker intact. Just needs a bath!

J_1964 · 2 June 2018, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

I think thats a pretty fair price for a GMTII

Good Price if the bracelet is in decent shape.

rps13sr · 2 June 2018, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by freefly

Just a shadow/highlight, IMO. Watch looks good, and case looks very strong (possibly unpolished).
Looks like the 9:00 side of the case even has the original sticker intact. Just needs a bath!

I don’t see any sticker.

freefly · 2 June 2018, 09:33 PM

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I don’t see any sticker.

If you zoom in on this pic, it looks like the the clear protective sticker is intact on the side of the case, but could just be (another) optical anomaly I susppose:

Bxtek · 3 June 2018, 12:30 AM

Any reason why you wouldn't want to take it in to be checked out before the purchase? I assume your friend didn't purchase it from an AD, which is why you're questioning the authenticity? It would be worth to take it in, then you'll both know for sure. If you do end up buying it, your mind will be left at ease and not have this nagging doubt in the back of it. :)

rps13sr · 3 June 2018, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Bxtek

Any reason why you wouldn't want to take it in to be checked out before the purchase? I assume your friend didn't purchase it from an AD, which is why you're questioning the authenticity? It would be worth to take it in, then you'll both know for sure. If you do end up buying it, your mind will be left at ease and not have this nagging doubt in the back of it. :)

I probably will get it checked out. I was actually at the place when he bought it I just found out he lost the box when a hurricane hit Coney Island. He has all paperwork except box, which sucks. It’s also never been serviced never polished or anything he said. I’ll see it again tomorrow and will really take a good look. I don’t acually buy this cause I like it. I buying it cause I rather have some money tied up in something that appreciates in value so this is a nice item to hold on too.

rps13sr · 3 June 2018, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by freefly

If you zoom in on this pic, it looks like the the clear protective sticker is intact on the side of the case, but could just be (another) optical anomaly I susppose

Yeah I think optical anomaly it is lol. I don’t think there are any stickers on it. I’ve tried it on a few times months ago don’t remember the protective stickers being on it.

rps13sr · 3 June 2018, 07:42 AM

One more thing guys. What’s 16170 bnro this 2007 model is the gmt master 2 16170b model right. Why do some call it the bnro. I thought that was only the new models with the new “ceramic” or cerohome. Something like that. That is labeled BNRO. Opps I mean BLRO. I just assumed that label BLRO is for the new one.

crowncollection · 3 June 2018, 08:37 AM

Looks ok

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freefly · 3 June 2018, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by rps13sr

One more thing guys. What’s 16170 bnro this 2007 model is the gmt master 2 16170b model right. Why do some call it the bnro. I thought that was only the new models with the new “ceramic” or cerohome. Something like that. That is labeled BNRO. Opps I mean BLRO. I just assumed that label BLRO is for the new one.

No, it has been the internal designation for the different bezel colors/options for quite some time (not just for the newer models).
BLRO is simply an abbreviation for "Bleu/Rouge" (blue/red). The black-only bezel is LN for "Lunette Noir" and the black/red "Coke" had no suffix.

The ID on the papers separated them with an A/B/N suffix on the reference number:

16710A = black/red
16710B = blue/red
16710N = black

Tools · 3 June 2018, 09:20 AM

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Yeah I think optical anomaly it is lol. I don’t think there are any stickers on it. I’ve tried it on a few times months ago don’t remember the protective stickers being on it.

Yes, it does have the plastic on the sides. On the one photo you circled, the left side shows the plastic edge curled up and peeling.

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Originally Posted by rps13sr

One more thing guys. What’s 16170 bnro this 2007 model is the gmt master 2 16170b model right. Why do some call it the bnro. I thought that was only the new models with the new “ceramic” or cerohome. Something like that. That is labeled BNRO. Opps I mean BLRO. I just assumed that label BLRO is for the new one.

All blue/red GMT watches are BLRO, doesn't matter the year.

rps13sr · 3 June 2018, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Tools

Yes, it does have the plastic on the sides. On the one photo you circled, the left side shows the plastic edge curled up and peeling.

All blue/red GMT watches are BLRO, doesn't matter the year.

Thanks for the clarification. But i think the curled up peeling you see is just reflection.

GLADIATOR · 3 June 2018, 09:51 AM

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But i think the curled up peeling you see is just reflection.

Me too. Is that not the side Rolex also adds a small hologram? Not preszent here.
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springer · 3 June 2018, 11:24 AM

Buy the watch. Everything depicted in your photos are from a genuine watch, from the dial, bezel, bezel insert, bracelet etc. The price is definitely below market.

Once home, give it a good cleaning.

J_1964 · 3 June 2018, 11:30 AM

You are NOT Going To See A Price Like That Again. Lately, GMT prices seem to go up every day.

Gaijin · 3 June 2018, 08:48 PM

What kind of a friend would sell you a fake Rolex?

I mean if you have to ask about this I'd be questioning the friendship as much as the watch.

rps13sr · 4 June 2018, 04:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaijin

What kind of a friend would sell you a fake Rolex?

I mean if you have to ask about this I'd be questioning the friendship as much as the watch.

I doubt he would sell me a duplicate of a real one, but in my world, its survival of the slickest.

rps13sr · 4 June 2018, 06:11 AM

My friend just dropped it off to me. If everything is good after I bring it in to authenticate I will own my first Rolex. All the pits on the picture is just dirt. Very minor scratches and just needs a cleaning. Better shape than I expected and smaller than o expected since the pics were zoomed in.

brandrea · 4 June 2018, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaijin

What kind of a friend would sell you a fake Rolex?

I mean if you have to ask about this I'd be questioning the friendship as much as the watch.

My thought too.

J_1964 · 4 June 2018, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by rps13sr

My friend just dropped it off to me. If everything is good after I bring it in to authenticate I will own my first Rolex. All the pits on the picture is just dirt. Very minor scratches and just needs a cleaning. Better shape than I expected and smaller than o expected since the pics were zoomed in.

I think you are going to Really Love It. Congratulations and Good Luck.

freefly · 4 June 2018, 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by rps13sr

My friend just dropped it off to me. If everything is good after I bring it in to authenticate I will own my first Rolex. All the pits on the picture is just dirt. Very minor scratches and just needs a cleaning. Better shape than I expected and smaller than o expected since the pics were zoomed in.

Yup, like JP mentioned above, buy it! As you mention, it definitely needs a bath. However, that is something you can do in about 10 minutes with warm water, dish soap, and a soft-bristle toothbrush. A spring-bar tool would help as well, so you can remove/clean the bracelet and head separately. I would also pop the bezel to clean the accumulated gunk underneath. If you have your dealer/jeweler/RSC do it, I would just make sure stipulate a cleaning and NOT a polishing, but YMMV there.

Oh, and just curious: Was that a sticker on the 9 o'clock side of the case?

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2 June 2018, 10:27 AM	#4
GLADIATOR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Adam Location: Costa Blanca, Watch: YMII,GMTII,DAYTONA Posts: 5,288	Watch is genuine. Some "strange" corrosion or possible dirt to bracelet, that I would want to see. A __________________ The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. Winston Churchill "We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing, while others judge us by what we have already done."

2 June 2018, 10:35 AM	#6
GLADIATOR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Adam Location: Costa Blanca, Watch: YMII,GMTII,DAYTONA Posts: 5,288	I am pretty confident movement, dial case are genuine - no worries there. Bracelet has some corrosion - not sure if its just dirt. BUT If you are NOT 100% sure and happy do NOT proceed a __________________ The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. Winston Churchill "We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing, while others judge us by what we have already done."

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springer 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,309	Buy the watch. Everything depicted in your photos are from a genuine watch, from the dial, bezel, bezel insert, bracelet etc. The price is definitely below market. Once home, give it a good cleaning. __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

2 June 2018, 10:31 AM	#5
rps13sr "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: nyc Posts: 15	Wow. Thanks guys. I just have this nagging feeling that it’s not authentic. But I know where he purchased from etc. and the pictures seem off or I’m just being paranoid since this is a big purchase and potentially being fake and losing thousands.

2 June 2018, 11:09 AM	#7
rps13sr "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: nyc Posts: 15	Thanks. I got him to lower to $6500. Is that worth it for investment, or to flip after wearing it a while.

3 June 2018, 12:30 AM	#14
Bxtek "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2018 Location: CA Posts: 2,619	Any reason why you wouldn't want to take it in to be checked out before the purchase? I assume your friend didn't purchase it from an AD, which is why you're questioning the authenticity? It would be worth to take it in, then you'll both know for sure. If you do end up buying it, your mind will be left at ease and not have this nagging doubt in the back of it. :)

3 June 2018, 07:42 AM	#17
rps13sr "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: nyc Posts: 15	One more thing guys. What’s 16170 bnro this 2007 model is the gmt master 2 16170b model right. Why do some call it the bnro. I thought that was only the new models with the new “ceramic” or cerohome. Something like that. That is labeled BNRO. Opps I mean BLRO. I just assumed that label BLRO is for the new one.

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J_1964 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Real Name: Jim Location: NoCal USA Watch: 16710 Posts: 1,955	You are NOT Going To See A Price Like That Again. Lately, GMT prices seem to go up every day.

3 June 2018, 08:48 PM	#25
Gaijin 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Japan Watch: ing your back. Posts: 16,179	What kind of a friend would sell you a fake Rolex? I mean if you have to ask about this I'd be questioning the friendship as much as the watch.

4 June 2018, 06:11 AM	#27
rps13sr "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: nyc Posts: 15	My friend just dropped it off to me. If everything is good after I bring it in to authenticate I will own my first Rolex. All the pits on the picture is just dirt. Very minor scratches and just needs a cleaning. Better shape than I expected and smaller than o expected since the pics were zoomed in.

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