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lpestre · 9 June 2018, 04:55 AM

Hello Everyone,

I had a very bad day yesterday and i wanted to share it with you. My patek 3800 got robbed in Paris, France during a sale. The worst is that i just got the watch back from service form Patek, I have been waiting for this one more than 6 months and all the work, money and time vanished in matter of second.

Also my inssurance doesn't cover it since it was not in US and it was my partner in France who was selling it, not me.

If any of you see it for sale somewhere please le me know.

Ref : Patek 3800/1JA-001
Case Number : 2875774
Movement number : 1428805

Lime · 9 June 2018, 04:59 AM

very sorry to hear this. What exactly happened?

lpestre · 9 June 2018, 05:02 AM

Thank you for the kind words.

The guy run away with the watch while my partner was counting the money and not paying attention to him. It has been found that all the bills were fake.

tudorbaja27 · 9 June 2018, 05:15 AM

Jesus. Sorry to hear. A cash transaction is always something to be treated with care - which is why you should always do it in a bank etc. I know this doesn't help now but maybe will in the future.

lpestre · 9 June 2018, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by tudorbaja27

Jesus. Sorry to hear. A cash transaction is always something to be treated with care - which is why you should always do it in a bank etc. I know this doesn't help now but maybe will in the future.

I know, I always did mine in a bank booth in witch it would have been very hard for the person to run away and even if he would have tried, he would have been stop by the security guard and the security lock at the entrance of the bank....

KLEJNOT_NILU · 9 June 2018, 05:53 AM

Sorry to hear that. What a waste. Did you loose box/papers too? What was the price on it?

lpestre · 9 June 2018, 06:36 AM

Yes, he took everything, box, certificate, Patek invoice, Patek service box.

The price was 15k €

lpestre · 9 June 2018, 06:45 AM

And this is going to make them very little money at the end I think.

If was selling the watch to a reseller he would have offered me 11k€. Fake bills cost around 20%, so 3000€. I read that black market for stolen watches is like 40-50%, so 5000€. Patek 3800 are not commun so very hard to sell on black market.

So they’ll make, between 1-2k euros. What a joke !!

CorradoBrit · 9 June 2018, 06:48 AM

Absolutely sickening. Sorry this has happened to your partner. Can I ask how and where the watch was advertised? A dedicated watch forum or equivalent to Craigslist?

Where did this all take place? Public location? Could there be CC cameras in the area that might have recorded the perpetrator? Do you have the contact info/phone number of the buyer? Was the buyers ID checked? References? Any red flags that might have forewarned what went down?

It really is the Wild West out there. I hope you have reported this to the police and provided all the information that might locate the thief. This is probably more common than we might think. Sellers have met with prospective buyers at Starbucks in SoCal and then suddenly run to a waiting accomplice in a car. Those sellers were targeted via Craigslist ads.

J_1964 · 9 June 2018, 11:19 AM

2nd Paris Robbery Recently. Weird...

77T · 9 June 2018, 12:28 PM

Sorry to hear of the theft. We have similar problems in US with CL sales of things as cheap as a cellphone all the way up to Rolexes.

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aguila9 · 9 June 2018, 12:43 PM

That's not a robbery, it's a Larceny. It still hurts though....sorry and I hope you find the bastards who stole it.

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tudorbaja27 · 10 June 2018, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by J_1964

2nd Paris Robbery Recently. Weird...

Not sure location is relevant.

J_1964 · 10 June 2018, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by tudorbaja27

Not sure location is relevant.

Probably Coincidence, but....

lpestre · 10 June 2018, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CorradoBrit

Absolutely sickening. Sorry this has happened to your partner. Can I ask how and where the watch was advertised? A dedicated watch forum or equivalent to Craigslist?

Where did this all take place? Public location? Could there be CC cameras in the area that might have recorded the perpetrator? Do you have the contact info/phone number of the buyer? Was the buyers ID checked? References? Any red flags that might have forewarned what went down?

It really is the Wild West out there. I hope you have reported this to the police and provided all the information that might locate the thief. This is probably more common than we might think. Sellers have met with prospective buyers at Starbucks in SoCal and then suddenly run to a waiting accomplice in a car. Those sellers were targeted via Craigslist ads.

Yes, the watch was listed on Leboncoin, something similar to Craigslist.

The sale was inside a coffee next to the train station. All the elements he had, name, phone, etc was reported to the police.

Also the « buyer » call back my partner to threat him to kill him if he was going to the police. So maybe he is scared to be easily caught with the infos we have. We’ll see...

cda555 · 10 June 2018, 06:19 PM

How well do you know your partner? Are you sure he was in fact robbed? Either way, I’m very sorry. This is a terrible situation.

9 June 2018, 04:55 AM	#1
lpestre 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Montreal/Paris Posts: 1,275	Patek 3800 Robbed Hello Everyone, I had a very bad day yesterday and i wanted to share it with you. My patek 3800 got robbed in Paris, France during a sale. The worst is that i just got the watch back from service form Patek, I have been waiting for this one more than 6 months and all the work, money and time vanished in matter of second. Also my inssurance doesn't cover it since it was not in US and it was my partner in France who was selling it, not me. If any of you see it for sale somewhere please le me know. Ref : Patek 3800/1JA-001 Case Number : 2875774 Movement number : 1428805

9 June 2018, 05:15 AM	#4
tudorbaja27 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Location: Miami, FL Watch: Tudor & Cartier Posts: 2,499	Jesus. Sorry to hear. A cash transaction is always something to be treated with care - which is why you should always do it in a bank etc. I know this doesn't help now but maybe will in the future. __________________ "Chi ha paura muore ogni giorno, chi non ha paura muore una volta sola" - Paolo Borsellino

9 June 2018, 12:28 PM	#11
77T 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: PaulG Location: Georgia Posts: 41,952	Sorry to hear of the theft. We have similar problems in US with CL sales of things as cheap as a cellphone all the way up to Rolexes. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro __________________ Does anyone really know what time it is?

9 June 2018, 04:59 AM	#2
Lime "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Canada Watch: Rolex, JLC, etc Posts: 354	very sorry to hear this. What exactly happened?

9 June 2018, 05:02 AM	#3
lpestre 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Montreal/Paris Posts: 1,275	Thank you for the kind words. The guy run away with the watch while my partner was counting the money and not paying attention to him. It has been found that all the bills were fake.

9 June 2018, 05:53 AM	#6
KLEJNOT_NILU "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Poland Watch: 116613LB Posts: 84	Sorry to hear that. What a waste. Did you loose box/papers too? What was the price on it?

9 June 2018, 06:36 AM	#7
lpestre 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Montreal/Paris Posts: 1,275	Yes, he took everything, box, certificate, Patek invoice, Patek service box. The price was 15k €

9 June 2018, 06:45 AM	#8
lpestre 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Montreal/Paris Posts: 1,275	And this is going to make them very little money at the end I think. If was selling the watch to a reseller he would have offered me 11k€. Fake bills cost around 20%, so 3000€. I read that black market for stolen watches is like 40-50%, so 5000€. Patek 3800 are not commun so very hard to sell on black market. So they’ll make, between 1-2k euros. What a joke !!

9 June 2018, 06:48 AM	#9
CorradoBrit "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Europe bound Posts: 1,410	Absolutely sickening. Sorry this has happened to your partner. Can I ask how and where the watch was advertised? A dedicated watch forum or equivalent to Craigslist? Where did this all take place? Public location? Could there be CC cameras in the area that might have recorded the perpetrator? Do you have the contact info/phone number of the buyer? Was the buyers ID checked? References? Any red flags that might have forewarned what went down? It really is the Wild West out there. I hope you have reported this to the police and provided all the information that might locate the thief. This is probably more common than we might think. Sellers have met with prospective buyers at Starbucks in SoCal and then suddenly run to a waiting accomplice in a car. Those sellers were targeted via Craigslist ads.

9 June 2018, 11:19 AM	#10
J_1964 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Real Name: Jim Location: NoCal USA Watch: 16710 Posts: 1,955	2nd Paris Robbery Recently. Weird...

9 June 2018, 12:43 PM	#12
aguila9 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: Lower Hudon River Posts: 112	That's not a robbery, it's a Larceny. It still hurts though....sorry and I hope you find the bastards who stole it. Sent from my SM-T560NU using Tapatalk

10 June 2018, 06:19 PM	#16
cda555 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2016 Location: USA Watch: 126610LV and SMP Posts: 1,645	How well do you know your partner? Are you sure he was in fact robbed? Either way, I’m very sorry. This is a terrible situation.

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