NYC Boutique Inventory

[agsstructures]

Stopped by the 57th Street Boutique a couple hours ago for a quick stroll and to get my 15300 sized. Light on Stainless models but did have a Silver 15400 available. Mostly precious metal pieces in stock including a gold Jumbo. They quoted the following time frames on Stainless pieces:

Blue 15400 - 1 Year
Blue 15202 - 1.5 Years
Black 15400 - 3-4 months

The rep mentioned the 15450 were selling quick also to both male and females. Overall good experience and the boutique has recently been renovated

[walds11]

Good info. Thanks for sharing. Did you happen to ask about the wait time for the 15450 blue dial?

[agsstructures]

Originally Posted by walds11

Good info. Thanks for sharing. Did you happen to ask about the wait time for the 15450 blue dial?

6-8 months for the blue 15450. Don’t think there is a wait for the other colors but seems they sell as soon as they come in

[AK797]

This looks the SSw ay now, no discounts and wait times and screening.

[agsstructures]

Originally Posted by AK797

This looks the SSw ay now, no discounts and wait times and screening.

Agreed, full retail + tax especially on the popular models

[chad362wiley]

I may snag that 15400. Miss my old one

[mobster600]

Ive gotta say these are worth waiting for

[Nephro]

Still regretting not grabbing up a 15202 in Vegas Nov ‘16 while just browsing through the Palazzo.

[walds11]

Originally Posted by knobberboy

6-8 months for the blue 15450. Don’t think there is a wait for the other colors but seems they sell as soon as they come in

Thanks Sounds about right. All the boutiques are sold out through this year for this one.

[agentmeister5]

Did they say anything about the wait time for the 15400 ruthenium? There seemed to be a one month wait when I was there back in April. I'm on the list for the blue 15400 but won't find out until the end of this year if I'll get allocated one and if I'm not then I might go for the ruthenium. I'm just hoping the wait time isn't getting longer as I wait.

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by agentmeister5

Did they say anything about the wait time for the 15400 ruthenium? There seemed to be a one month wait when I was there back in April. I'm on the list for the blue 15400 but won't find out until the end of this year if I'll get allocated one and if I'm not then I might go for the ruthenium. I'm just hoping the wait time isn't getting longer as I wait.

Was one month when I spoke to nyc a few weeks ago.

[Burlington]

Originally Posted by AK797

This looks the SS way now, no discounts and wait times and screening.

The question being - is supply intentionally being limited vs. previous years, or has demand increased beyond what they can make.

[benlee]

Originally Posted by knobberboy

Stopped by the 57th Street Boutique a couple hours ago for a quick stroll and to get my 15300 sized. Light on Stainless models but did have a Silver 15400 available. Mostly precious metal pieces in stock including a gold Jumbo. They quoted the following time frames on Stainless pieces:

Blue 15400 - 1 Year
Blue 15202 - 1.5 Years
Black 15400 - 3-4 months

The rep mentioned the 15450 were selling quick also to both male and females. Overall good experience and the boutique has recently been renovated

These aren't confirmed wait times right? Just an indication. As I know, boutique doesn't commit on any delivery date. Surprise to see even 15400 took so long. Strange not many people like the silver dial which is readily available. For me, it's actually the best looking of the bunch.

[AK797]

Originally Posted by Burlington

The question being - is supply intentionally being limited vs. previous years, or has demand increased beyond what they can make.

With AP it is more supply manipulation than with PP and Rolex which is just overwhelming demand, but ofc rising prices will attract more buyers/flippers to AP too.

[SC11]

Originally Posted by AK797

With AP it is more supply manipulation than with PP and Rolex which is just overwhelming demand, but ofc rising prices will attract more buyers/flippers to AP too.

I disagree they are all manipulating the supply and keeping demand high!

[Rachdanon]

Originally Posted by SC11

I disagree they are all manipulating the supply and keeping demand high!

Seems the recipe is simply be to privately owned, where the owner's profits (and greed) can be sufficiently controlled, leading to ability to control supply. Make them into some conglomerate and everyone will want a bigger piece, and milk the cow dry...bye bye supply control.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by AK797

With AP it is more supply manipulation than with PP and Rolex which is just overwhelming demand, but ofc rising prices will attract more buyers/flippers to AP too.

i agree only because the secondary prices are not hugely inflated PP or Daytona style for most of their WL pieces ...there are a few that are legitimately huge demand pieces though and its not a 15400 blue or a SS 15202. The secondary prices seem to indicate they should be easier to get than they are therefore there is some added supply manipulation there in addition to demand which isnt as strong.

[arosado]

I was there with a good friend and we saw the 15400 silver, too. Lots of people in & out of the boutique. Lots of color options for the other models ....

[Burlington]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

i agree only because the secondary prices are not hugely inflated PP or Daytona style for most of their WL pieces ...there are a few that are legitimately huge demand pieces though and its not a 15400 blue or a SS 15202. The secondary prices seem to indicate they should be easier to get than they are therefore there is some added supply manipulation there in addition to demand which isnt as strong.

This does make a lot of sense, the 15202ST has been impossible to find for a good while now...I've never seen one in person (in a boutique or AD) anywhere around London or Europe but the market price is nowhere near as high as the Nautilus SS.

Curiously though, I have seen a good few SS Nautili out and about in the wild. One on a Ryanair flight even. Never seen a jumbo though, or indeed AP in general.

[SC11]

Let’s not forget total production numbers Vs models

Patek are around 50,000 per annum and AP is 40,000

But then you need to consider range diversity PP produce roughly 33 variants in the Nautilus range and 15 in the Aquanaut, for comparison AP list 102 variants in the Royal Oak range alone.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by SC11

Let’s not forget total production numbers Vs models

Patek are around 50,000 per annum and AP is 40,000

But then you need to consider range diversity PP produce roughly 33 variants in the Nautilus range and 15 in the Aquanaut, for comparison AP list 102 variants in the Royal Oak range alone.

I hope AP does limit the LE's though. As IMO some of them with the above production numbers you stated are not made over a few year run in more than 500 or 1000 pieces anyway. It seems like a gimmick to call something a LE that they probably wouldn't or couldn't make more of anyway. The watches themselves are great, but im not a fan of too many LE's as really they all should be pretty "limited" to begin with as its a small company, so its redundant and weird.

Then you have a true LE which is the CE PC and they don't even advertise the fact they only made 50

[SC11]

Also deliberate holding back supply is clear by all three!

Just look at the TT and to a degree the PM variants of popular SS models that are available and sitting in AD’s windows.

[SC11]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

I hope AP does limit the LE's though. As IMO some of them with the above production numbers you stated are not made over a few year run in more than 500 or 1000 pieces anyway. It seems like a gimmick to call something a LE that they probably wouldn't or couldn't make more of anyway. The watches themselves are great, but im not a fan of too many LE's as really they all should be pretty "limited" to begin with as its a small company, so its redundant and weird.

Then you have a true LE which is the CE PC and they don't even advertise the fact they only made 50

In essence just like with PP these models are made in such low numbers anyway the need of an LE is not really there!

Is the Ce PC 50?!

I’ve seen two recent Le Brassus tours with pictures of a few still in testing!

Submarino’s recent visit over Art Basel displaying a picture with five still in production.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by SC11

In essence just like with PP these models are made in such low numbers anyway the need of an LE is not really there!

Is the Ce PC 50?!

I’ve seen two recent Le Brassus tours with pictures of a few still in testing!

Submarino’s recent visit over Art Basel displaying a picture with five still in production.

not sure... my only info one way or the other was an interview in the telegraph with AP's head of product development and that article stated 50. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/luxury/w...ak-worth-wait/

its just weird though they slap the LE label on a lot of stuff but not this? it is very odd as even if it was hypothetically a regular production piece they still couldn't make very many but a watch they make 1000 of gets a LE notation.

[SC11]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

not sure... my only info one way or the other was an interview in the telegraph with AP's head of product development and that article stated 50. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/luxury/w...ak-worth-wait/

I know we have this discussion over on another thread only a couple of weeks back, I was told that it’s not an LE as such but due to the work envolved with the ceramic and more so the fact it’s a complete watch with which the bracelet adds considerly time/labour. Also believe the ceramic work is outsourced.

However they can continue if they wish!

But then to throw a spanner in the works the Ce chrono tourb announced at SIHH which was originally released on strap has been changed to a complete Ce head and bracelet, so in essence they have just doubled their workload over night

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by SC11

I know we have this discussion over on another thread only a couple of weeks back, I was told that it’s not an LE as such but due to the work envolved with the ceramic and more so the fact it’s a complete watch with which the bracelet adds considerly time/labour. Also believe the ceramic work is outsourced.

However they can continue if they wish!

But then to throw a spanner in the works the Ce chrono tourb announced at SIHH which was originally released on strap has been changed to a complete Ce head and bracelet, so in essence they have just doubled their workload over night

yeah i think the CE PC is about the lowest price point watch we will see a full ceramic bracelet. Its not going below that only above, i would bet on it.

[SC11]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

its just weird though they slap the LE label on a lot of stuff but not this? it is very odd as even if it was hypothetically a regular production piece they still couldn't make very many but a watch they make 1000 of gets a LE notation.

Don’t forget some are changed post release! Maybe it’s if a model that doesn’t get the initial response they want they make it LE to up the attraction.

Maybe as they are holding production on 40,000 they must forecast production well in advance so with the non LE they have production slotted in for each year where as an LE has a limited run as something else is to fulfill that slot in the next year or two?!

[agsstructures]

Originally Posted by agentmeister5

Did they say anything about the wait time for the 15400 ruthenium? There seemed to be a one month wait when I was there back in April. I'm on the list for the blue 15400 but won't find out until the end of this year if I'll get allocated one and if I'm not then I might go for the ruthenium. I'm just hoping the wait time isn't getting longer as I wait.

Not specifically but I don't think it's too bad. Black was the most popular next to the blue.

[agsstructures]

Originally Posted by benlee

These aren't confirmed wait times right? Just an indication. As I know, boutique doesn't commit on any delivery date. Surprise to see even 15400 took so long. Strange not many people like the silver dial which is readily available. For me, it's actually the best looking of the bunch.

Correct, just general time. We were just having a casual conversation so asked him about this and production overall. He stated production has remained steady but demand has increased. Not sure how true but found it interesting.

[agsstructures]

Originally Posted by arosado

I was there with a good friend and we saw the 15400 silver, too. Lots of people in & out of the boutique. Lots of color options for the other models ....

Agreed, ton of foot traffic in and out!