5712 and its variations

[g3ncs]

A wrist shot of my 2007 Patek 5712 1/a in daylight. Also attached an Instagram picture from my friend @horoloupe who owns a 3712 and 2018 5712 1/a.

Some subtle differences between these three variations. 3712 without a doubt being the rarest, with only around 700-800 models produced between 2005 and 2006.
1. 5712 includes four dots on the power reserve as opposed to 3 on the 3712. 2. numbers on date indicator of 3712 is bigger than the 5712.
3. dial on 5712 includes 10 markers vs 11 markers on the 3712.
4. the color of the moon phase on the 5712 is relatively 'matte' compared to the shinier moon phase on the 3712.
5. 3712 have a considerably more grayish blue than the contemporary 5712.

The 5712s' produced between 2006 and 2009 bares the Geneva seal. The color of the dial resembles the 3712, which is the grayer blue dial compared to the more recent versions of the 5712. The moon phase on my 2007 5712 also resembles the 3712 which is reflective to light as opposed to the 'matte' moon phase on the recent versions. There are only one dot at the 48 marker of the power reserve compared to 2 dots for the newer 5712s. The certificate for the 2007 5712 also bares the Philippe Stern stamp.

The price of 3712 in the second hand market is close to 100k. Recent auction prices for 2007 5712 is around 375000 Hong Kong dollars (47k USD). Second hand prices for recent 5712 models is around 55k USD.

With the recent hype around 5712, I hope you guys find these information interesting. Of the three, which one would you prefer?



2007 Patek 5712 1/a in pristine condition



2007 Patek 5712 1/a case back with Geneva seal



2007 certificate



@horoloupe A side by side comparison of the Patek Philippe Nautilus 5712 (left) and the much rarer 3712 (right)

[Helmi]

Interesting information thank you for sharing. I like all variants equally. I prefer the latest dial color a bit more. Otherwise all other details are equally good to me

[Dr.Teatime]

Thanks for sharing. Great post and pictures

[jrs146]

Great info and great pics! Love it!


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[karasus]

All great watches, and I really love the 5712/3712 asym dial with simple and useful complications. (power reserve is probably the most useful complication on any watch)

3712 is definitely a collectors item, but it feels like a prototype/test design. Kinda of like the 5522A (Patek Pilot Calatrava) that was released before the 5524G and 5524R travel time pilot watches. Patek's are known for their readability, and the circular calendar with larger and adjusted numbers on the 5712A feels more finished and thought through.

5712A Geneva Seal announced in 2006 and produced until 2008/2009 for me is the real 30th anniversary watch. Its got a slightly different dial with four red markers on the power reserve like the 3712A but the calendar of the 5712, giving it a unique dial. Having seen both 5712(2008) and and 5712(2010), The darker blue of the early 5712 gives it more color tones compared to the later 5712. Under different lights you can get grey, black, green, blue for the early 5712. The later 5712 shines more blueish and grey under most lighting and produces less variety.

Its also some of the last watches produced under Philippe Stern and marks the end of an era. Finally, its quality is certified by a third party (Geneva seal) and no Geneva seal Pateks are going to be ever made since the switch to the Patek seal. The Patek seal may have more stringent controls, but the Geneva seal is definitely rarer and more collectible on the 5712.

A good analogy for the early 5712 models (2006-2008) vs 5712 (PP seal) is like the Fat 4 Kermits Rolex anniversary models vs the normal Kermits. The rarer slight difference in the dial makes the watch stand out amongst its peers and holds a special place in history for the nautilus, Genta designs and Patek.

[luonggiawatch]

Perfect couple

[bobodrink]

If only comparing the 5712s, 100% prefer the Geneva Seal version. Way rarer and it is closer to the 3712. I wonder if Patek will follow Rolex's market in terms of small differences and rarity of a dial command huge prices over basically a similar watch.

[mdtddd2007]

Loving both!

[sensui]

I love them all.

[koryong]

Sorry to be off-topic but referring to the Geneva seal, would the pre-2009 Aquanaut 5167 be more desirable than the later ones with the PP seal ?

[bobodrink]

Originally Posted by koryong

Sorry to be off-topic but referring to the Geneva seal, would the pre-2009 Aquanaut 5167 be more desirable than the later ones with the PP seal ?

For me, I would pick a Geneva Seal 5167, but that depends on the market. If Patek keeps making 5167 then I think desirability will be less. If it is discontinued then I think the market will start to analyze rarity of the different variations. But the 5712 I think has more potential as there is more differences.

[rolexpatek363]

Damn fine watches, all.

I have the humble "2-dot at 48hr" version.

[fewwords]

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[Sam Philip]

Originally Posted by karasus

All great watches, and I really love the 5712/3712 asym dial with simple and useful complications. (power reserve is probably the most useful complication on any watch)

3712 is definitely a collectors item, but it feels like a prototype/test design. Kinda of like the 5522A (Patek Pilot Calatrava) that was released before the 5524G and 5524R travel time pilot watches. Patek's are known for their readability, and the circular calendar with larger and adjusted numbers on the 5712A feels more finished and thought through.

5712A Geneva Seal announced in 2006 and produced until 2008/2009 for me is the real 30th anniversary watch. Its got a slightly different dial with four red markers on the power reserve like the 3712A but the calendar of the 5712, giving it a unique dial. Having seen both 5712(2008) and and 5712(2010), The darker blue of the early 5712 gives it more color tones compared to the later 5712. Under different lights you can get grey, black, green, blue for the early 5712. The later 5712 shines more blueish and grey under most lighting and produces less variety.

Its also some of the last watches produced under Philippe Stern and marks the end of an era. Finally, its quality is certified by a third party (Geneva seal) and no Geneva seal Pateks are going to be ever made since the switch to the Patek seal. The Patek seal may have more stringent controls, but the Geneva seal is definitely rarer and more collectible on the 5712.

A good analogy for the early 5712 models (2006-2008) vs 5712 (PP seal) is like the Fat 4 Kermits Rolex anniversary models vs the normal Kermits. The rarer slight difference in the dial makes the watch stand out amongst its peers and holds a special place in history for the nautilus, Genta designs and Patek.

5524G was released before the 5522A

[martinr]

Originally Posted by karasus

All great watches, and I really love the 5712/3712 asym dial with simple and useful complications. (power reserve is probably the most useful complication on any watch)

3712 is definitely a collectors item, but it feels like a prototype/test design. Kinda of like the 5522A (Patek Pilot Calatrava) that was released before the 5524G and 5524R travel time pilot watches. Patek's are known for their readability, and the circular calendar with larger and adjusted numbers on the 5712A feels more finished and thought through.

5712A Geneva Seal announced in 2006 and produced until 2008/2009 for me is the real 30th anniversary watch. Its got a slightly different dial with four red markers on the power reserve like the 3712A but the calendar of the 5712, giving it a unique dial. Having seen both 5712(2008) and and 5712(2010), The darker blue of the early 5712 gives it more color tones compared to the later 5712. Under different lights you can get grey, black, green, blue for the early 5712. The later 5712 shines more blueish and grey under most lighting and produces less variety.

Its also some of the last watches produced under Philippe Stern and marks the end of an era. Finally, its quality is certified by a third party (Geneva seal) and no Geneva seal Pateks are going to be ever made since the switch to the Patek seal. The Patek seal may have more stringent controls, but the Geneva seal is definitely rarer and more collectible on the 5712.

A good analogy for the early 5712 models (2006-2008) vs 5712 (PP seal) is like the Fat 4 Kermits Rolex anniversary models vs the normal Kermits. The rarer slight difference in the dial makes the watch stand out amongst its peers and holds a special place in history for the nautilus, Genta designs and Patek.

5522A was not released before the 5524G.

[tchaic]

What they said

[drmovement]

Originally Posted by martinr

5522A was not released before the 5524G.

Yes that is right 5524 came first