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Chiboy · 30 July 2018, 11:59 PM

Interesting article comparing these platinum chronographs:

https://quillandpad.com/2018/07/28/h...a60b-169999865

Looks-wise, I like everything about the 5170P better: the smaller diameter, the narrower bezel, the less busy dial, the baguettes over the Breguets, the size of the movement. But mainly the larger looking, less crowded dial. That said, I'd be happy to wear either one.

nyc2la · 31 July 2018, 01:20 AM

Great article. Thanks.

benlee · 31 July 2018, 01:33 AM

I prefer 5170P. It's sleeker and more wearable. In person just gorgeous.

5070P very nice as well. The main advantage of the 5070P is that it holds value. .

JorgeCCW · 31 July 2018, 02:01 AM

It used to be interesting the comparison

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tyler1980 · 31 July 2018, 02:08 AM

i actually prefer the look slightly of the 5170 however the 5070 size is preferred for me although admittedly i have never tried one on.

mps354 · 31 July 2018, 02:56 AM

I have and love the 5170p, but still prefer the 5070p. It’s twice the price though

jon_jon · 31 July 2018, 03:06 AM

Nice write up, comparing these two watches without being too biased one way or another.

I have tried both of these watches and they are both nice watches. For my wrist, the 5070P is a bit large. The dial seem a bit crowded and the movement side has a lot of empty space covered by the case. However the blue dial is quite nice, more uniform than the 5170P, which has a more gradated blue dial. Actually the blue dials on both of these watches are quite nice, each in their own way. However the 5170P dial seem more balanced in terms of layout and the movement is the right size for the case.

At the end of the day, those who are more focused on price appreciation will lean towards the 5070P. Those who appreciate the fine workmanship of a Patek in-house chrono movement with a more balanced dial layout, will lean towards the 5170P, especially at the more "reasonable" price point of under $100k USD.

kneedeep · 31 July 2018, 12:34 PM

Great read, thanks for posting it.

Chiboy · 31 July 2018, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by nyc2la

Great article. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by jon_jon

Nice write up, comparing these two watches without being too biased one way or another.

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Originally Posted by kneedeep

Great read, thanks for posting it.

thomaspp · 31 July 2018, 01:51 PM

Apples to oranges IMHO...

Also did not think anyone read this guy’s articles!

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thomaspp · 31 July 2018, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mps354

I have and love the 5170p, but still prefer the 5070p. It’s twice the price though

Crazy to think delta is 100% difference now. One could argue that bridge will increase over the next decade.... we shall see. Be well!

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uscmatt99 · 31 July 2018, 11:43 PM

Aesthetically I like the 5170P a lot more. Both amazing pieces in their own right.

AK797 · 1 August 2018, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by benlee

I prefer 5170P. It's sleeker and more wearable. In person just gorgeous.

5070P very nice as well. The main advantage of the 5070P is that it holds value. .

Same for me.

5070 just reminds me of my grandfather's clock too much.

woodsworth · 1 August 2018, 03:54 AM

Love the 5170p... one of my grail pieces ;> The diamond markers just work on it.

GB-man · 1 August 2018, 11:05 AM

I much prefer the 5170 to the 5070 across the board. If the 5070 was not produced in such small numbers we wouldn’t be having this conversation...but it was and that’s the way it is.

OH2004 · 1 August 2018, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by GB-man

I much prefer the 5170 to the 5070 across the board. If the 5070 was not produced in such small numbers we wouldn’t be having this conversation...but it was and that’s the way it is.

I also prefer 5170P. I agree with you on the production run.

tng11 · 1 August 2018, 12:32 PM

5170P to wear for me, 5070P to be stashed in the safe.

sensui · 1 August 2018, 04:56 PM

To me the 5170p clearly trumps the 5070p in so many ways (Patek's first true in house chronograph generation, distinct/perfect/subtle diamond baguetts on a cleaner dial, the wearability in size overall for smaller wrists etc.....I can go on but there's no point and nothing people that's seen the watch don't now).

Rareness is one thing but I primarily buy watches to enjoy and wear.....that would definitely be the 5170p.

Chiboy · 1 August 2018, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by sensui

To me the 5170p clearly trumps the 5070p in so many ways (Patek's first true in house chronograph generation, distinct/perfect/subtle diamond baguetts on a cleaner dial, the wearability in size overall for smaller wrists etc.....I can go on but there's no point and nothing people that's seen the watch don't now).

Rareness is one thing but I primarily buy watches to enjoy and wear.....that would definitely be the 5170p.

Yeah, it's funny to me that in-house Patek movements seems to equate with potentially limitless supply and therefor less collectibility. I get it from a numbers' perspective, but it just seems wrong.

Russell996 · 1 August 2018, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiboy

Yeah, it's funny to me that in-house Patek movements seems to equate with potentially limitless supply and therefor less collectibility. I get it from a numbers' perspective, but it just seems wrong.

Limitless supply - I'm not sure that is correct. My AD can get one per year.

Chiboy · 1 August 2018, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Russell996

Limitless supply - I'm not sure that is correct. My AD can get one per year.

Right. That's the thing I don't get. A Patek-produced movement should be "better" than one produced by someone else, and it's not like they are going to make a million of them. But the non-inhouse movement watches seem to do better in the aftermarket. Am I wrong about this? What is better about the 5070 vs. the 5170? I believe only perceived (or actual) supply.

thomaspp · 2 August 2018, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiboy

Right. That's the thing I don't get. A Patek-produced movement should be "better" than one produced by someone else, and it's not like they are going to make a million of them. But the non-inhouse movement watches seem to do better in the aftermarket. Am I wrong about this? What is better about the 5070 vs. the 5170? I believe only perceived (or actual) supply.

Aesthetics aside (all personal and yes I personally prefer the 5070 by a mile in terms of case, dial and movement finishing), production numbers is a big consideration.

When Patek chrono movements were made by Valjoux and lemania, two fairly small companies, they could only deliver so many base movements to Patek per year (250 per year for the 5070). When Patek internalized all movement manufacturing (an expensive thing to do and hence a need/desire to recoup that investment) there was no limit to how many they could make and many speculate that many more 5170s have been made as compared to 5070s and same goes for 5270 vs 5970 and same for 5204 vs 5004 etc.

That being said I think 5170s are very attractive and super wearable/comfortable watches. Will they be as “collectible” (whatever we think that term means) as their valjoux and lemania based predecessors? No, Probably not but not everyone has the same objective in buying and owning a particular watch. Best.

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Chiboy · 2 August 2018, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by thomaspp

Aesthetics aside (all personal and yes I personally prefer the 5070 by a mile in terms of case, dial and movement finishing), production numbers is a big consideration.

When Patek chrono movements were made by Valjoux and lemania, two fairly small companies, they could only deliver so many base movements to Patek per year (250 per year for the 5070). When Patek internalized all movement manufacturing (an expensive thing to do and hence a need/desire to recoup that investment) there was no limit to how many they could make and many speculate that many more 5170s have been made as compared to 5070s and same goes for 5270 vs 5970 and same for 5204 vs 5004 etc.

That being said I think 5170s are very attractive and super wearable/comfortable watches. Will they be as “collectible” (whatever we think that term means) as their valjoux and lemania based predecessors? No, Probably not but not everyone has the same objective in buying and owning a particular watch. Best.

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Thank you! I learned a lot reading this!

daciotp · 2 August 2018, 07:37 AM

Nice article

GB-man · 2 August 2018, 09:24 AM

Ideally I’d want something in between the 5070 and 5170.

I’d want the sub dials aligned at the 9-3 axis. I’d want the stepped case. I’d want the 39mm size. I’d want the movement to be in house and fit the case. Oh and I’d like breguets.

alubin · 2 August 2018, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by thomaspp

Apples to oranges IMHO...

Also did not think anyone read this guy’s articles!

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What this guy said...

30 July 2018, 11:59 PM	#1
Chiboy "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Chicago Watch: Daytona Posts: 5,567	5170P vs. 5070P Interesting article comparing these platinum chronographs: https://quillandpad.com/2018/07/28/h...a60b-169999865 Looks-wise, I like everything about the 5170P better: the smaller diameter, the narrower bezel, the less busy dial, the baguettes over the Breguets, the size of the movement. But mainly the larger looking, less crowded dial. That said, I'd be happy to wear either one. __________________ Datejust w/black Tapestry dial (1985) / Daytona (2016)

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benlee "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Real Name: Ben Location: SIN & JKT Watch: Rolex, AP, PP Posts: 9,874	I prefer 5170P. It's sleeker and more wearable. In person just gorgeous. 5070P very nice as well. The main advantage of the 5070P is that it holds value. . __________________ Follow me on Instagram : benlee789

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tyler1980 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Houston Posts: 17,622	i actually prefer the look slightly of the 5170 however the 5070 size is preferred for me although admittedly i have never tried one on. __________________ Instagram: tyler.watches current collection: Patek 5164A, Patek 5524G, Rolex Platinum Daytona 116506, Rolex Sea Dweller 43 126600, Rolex GMT II 116710LN, AP 15400ST (silver), Panerai 913, Omega Speedmaster moonwatch, Tudor Black Bay (Harrods Edition)

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mps354 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Real Name: Mike Location: CT Posts: 9,095	I have and love the 5170p, but still prefer the 5070p. It’s twice the price though

31 July 2018, 03:06 AM	#7
jon_jon "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: USA Posts: 4,350	Nice write up, comparing these two watches without being too biased one way or another. I have tried both of these watches and they are both nice watches. For my wrist, the 5070P is a bit large. The dial seem a bit crowded and the movement side has a lot of empty space covered by the case. However the blue dial is quite nice, more uniform than the 5170P, which has a more gradated blue dial. Actually the blue dials on both of these watches are quite nice, each in their own way. However the 5170P dial seem more balanced in terms of layout and the movement is the right size for the case. At the end of the day, those who are more focused on price appreciation will lean towards the 5070P. Those who appreciate the fine workmanship of a Patek in-house chrono movement with a more balanced dial layout, will lean towards the 5170P, especially at the more "reasonable" price point of under $100k USD.

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uscmatt99 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,036	Aesthetically I like the 5170P a lot more. Both amazing pieces in their own right.

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woodsworth "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: 100 Acre Wood Posts: 959	Love the 5170p... one of my grail pieces ;> The diamond markers just work on it.

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GB-man 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: USA Watch: addiction issues Posts: 37,327	I much prefer the 5170 to the 5070 across the board. If the 5070 was not produced in such small numbers we wouldn’t be having this conversation...but it was and that’s the way it is. __________________

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tng11 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: N/A Posts: 3,634	5170P to wear for me, 5070P to be stashed in the safe.

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sensui 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 12,437	To me the 5170p clearly trumps the 5070p in so many ways (Patek's first true in house chronograph generation, distinct/perfect/subtle diamond baguetts on a cleaner dial, the wearability in size overall for smaller wrists etc.....I can go on but there's no point and nothing people that's seen the watch don't now). Rareness is one thing but I primarily buy watches to enjoy and wear.....that would definitely be the 5170p.

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daciotp Banned Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: USA Posts: 14	Nice article

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GB-man 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: USA Watch: addiction issues Posts: 37,327	Ideally I’d want something in between the 5070 and 5170. I’d want the sub dials aligned at the 9-3 axis. I’d want the stepped case. I’d want the 39mm size. I’d want the movement to be in house and fit the case. Oh and I’d like breguets. __________________

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