Nautilus VS Datejust

[Mephist]

The closest Rolex to the 5711/1A Nautilus in SS is the Datejust in SS in my opinion, but please correct me if you think another one is more similar. I know the Nautilus got a rotor in solid 21k gold, but other then that what justifies the circa $25,000 USD price it got vs the $6700 of a Datejust?

Is the movement in the 5711/1A Nautilus considered a much better one then the one in the Datejust?


Borrowed an internet photo.

[tyler1980]

not close at all. Each have their fans, but the Patek is not even playing the same game.

People are paying 50k for a 5711 blue dial and not even paying retail for a DJ. So the spread in the actual market prices people are willing to pay is much larger than what you are indicating.

Finishing is on an entirely different level both on the movement and the case. Its more exclusive, rare in terms of production numbers, more refined, its more comfortable, its thinner, and its the hottest watch on the planet but i prefer the 5712 personally.

[RHIII]

This is like comparing apples to pizza.

Patek>Rolex

I had a long response written - but think this covers it all...




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[RHIII]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

not close at all. Each have their fans, but the Patek is not even playing the same game.

People are paying 50k for a 5711 blue dial and not even paying retail for a DJ. So the spread in the actual market prices people are willing to pay is much larger than what you are indicating.

Finishing is on an entirely different level both on the movement and the case. Its more exclusive, rare in terms of production numbers, more refined, its more comfortable, its thinner, and its the hottest watch on the planet but i prefer the 5712 personally.

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[mdubya]

Controversial but every time I’ve tried on a 5711 I was left feeling very underwhelmed. Sure it’s finishing is better in some areas and it’s very thin, but I found the date window is a bit awkwardly displayed compared to say a Rolex and it didn’t strike me as a watch I’d want to spend 40-50K on. Now an AP jumbo, thats a different matter.

[superdog]

I’d take the DJ.

I think the Patek is nice, but it’s not for me.

I had a 5712 for a few weeks. Scraped the bezel and it was a huge gouge.

The Patek is haute horology for sure. But to me the DJ suits me better. And is far more robust. I like the price better too.

Besides, the mark up on that Patek is the dumbest thing going on in the watch world today.

All that said, if I could get one at retail, I would.

[AK797]

Patek is a more advanced and complicated horological manufacturer as we know and so even this base model will reflect that in price, and as Tyler says the resale value is more than double retail now as it is so coveted, quite beyond reason really but so are many other models. However the Nautilus design is unorthodox and certainly not for everyone so no harm if it is not to your taste, in fact your bank manager will be delighted with you.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by superdog

I’d take the DJ.

I think the Patek is nice, but it’s not for me.

I had a 5712 for a few weeks. Scraped the bezel and it was a huge gouge.

The Patek is haute horology for sure. But to me the DJ suits me better. And is far more robust. I like the price better too.

Besides, the mark up on that Patek is the dumbest thing going on in the watch world today.

All that said, if I could get one at retail, I would.

fair enough. Of course everyone has their own personal criteria which is subjective but its a silly head to head based on objective criteria. No way id pay that premium either, but that fact people do says a lot both about how hot it is as well as the state of the watch market considering its a base model without complications.

[AEC]

If I'm looking for an alternative to the Nautilus, I'm not looking at Rolex watches. Other watches with Nautilus sort of flavor, I think, are the VC Overseas and the AP Royal Oak. The sleeper with continental flavor is the Omega Constellation.

I really enjoyed this one, and perhaps will have another some day...

[holdtime]

Rolex.

[peterskinner]

I've owned both the 5711 and the 41mm Datejust.±Improbable as it may seem, I prefer the Datejust. Just as well made in real terms, better bracelet and a lot tougher.
It's too easy to get hooked on marketing and hype...the fact that something costs more doesn't prove much at all. The 5711 feels a more fragile watch and has a pretty poor clasp. Handsome yes, well-finished, yes, but better? Not to me. Of course , 'the market' says otherwise. If that is what matters, join the queue.

[cosmoliu]

Originally Posted by AEC

The sleeper with continental flavor is the Omega Constellation.

I didn't know about that watch previously. Good looking watch. And they make it in a 35 mm mid size. Hmmm...

[007_Omega]

Originally Posted by RHIII

This is like comparing apples to pizza.

Patek>Rolex

I had a long response written - but think this covers it all...




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Nautilus is a $30k watch that sells for $50k+ on the aftermarket. The finishing and craftsmanship are on an entirely different level.

That being said, Patek>Rolex is too simplistic. Any modern Rolex sports watch is going to be more durable than anything Patek offers you. It is much more practical as a daily wear.

Yes, the level of finishing on a Patek is leagues ahead but in terms of doing the job of being a reliable timekeeper, Rolex is the clear winner. Not to mention the service costs of a Patek vs. a Rolex and the frequency of services needed.

[Rashid.bk]

I mean they're both watches, other than that, every other metric is like comparing wine to soda. However, if you want reliable and bombproof accuracy in your watch, get the Rolex. How in the world Patek makes a $30k three hand watch that doesn't hack is beyond my understanding.

[Harry_S]

Patek is another league compared to Rolex in terms of finishing. Some say Rolex alot of the pieces parts are mass produced whereas Patek everything if not most of the process is done by hand. Whether or not you think this is worth the premium in terms of pricing is upto the individual.

I think with Patek's these days alot of it has to do with status for those wearing them.
Rolex you could compare to say perhaps a BMW/Mercedes/Audi very good for their intended purposes and most normal people would be happy with if not over the moon.
Patek comparable to say Lamborghini/Ferrari in terms of price scale and exclusivity.
In my opinion the DJ in the above photo looks better.
I have tried on a 5711/12 both were beautiful and made you feel special and the bracelet whilst light is the most comfortable I have ever worn.
If I had the money my preference would be a 5980 but then again that is a grail and one im unlikely to obtain if prices keep rising as sharply every year !

[antoflo]

Both are stunning watches in their respestive category but they dont play in the same league

[RHIII]

Originally Posted by 007_Omega

Nautilus is a $30k watch that sells for $50k+ on the aftermarket. The finishing and craftsmanship are on an entirely different level.



That being said, Patek>Rolex is too simplistic. Any modern Rolex sports watch is going to be more durable than anything Patek offers you. It is much more practical as a daily wear.



Yes, the level of finishing on a Patek is leagues ahead but in terms of doing the job of being a reliable timekeeper, Rolex is the clear winner. Not to mention the service costs of a Patek vs. a Rolex and the frequency of services needed.

Perhaps — however I wear all of my watches all the time — and I’ll still take Patek over Rolex all day. And the 15202 and the 5711 are a tie for me.

I treat all my watches the same - and haven’t had any service issues with any of them.

At the end of the day - it comes down to personal preference.

Valuations and resale are not things I look at when comparing. Else - right then and there they are incomparable.


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[mj1214]

[QUOTE=RHIII;8936143]This is like comparing apples to pizza.

Patek>Rolex

I had a long response written - but think this covers it all...

haha agreed. not even close. patek all day.

[debbs20]

Both are beautiful but can't be compared.

[79280_116520]

Your comparison is so off, it's like saying an Upper East Side brownstone has the same market value as something comparable in East Brooklyn (Crown Heights, Brownsville).

An Omega Aqua Terra would be a better comparison for the Datejust.

[superdog]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

fair enough. Of course everyone has their own personal criteria which is subjective but its a silly head to head based on objective criteria. No way id pay that premium either, but that fact people do says a lot both about how hot it is as well as the state of the watch market considering its a base model without complications.

agree.

tough to actually make a comparison between the two.

along with everything else....a totally different market.

[DoctorA]

Two different leagues! Each great at their own league though!

[Ichiran]

I have both 5711 blue and DJ41 126300 blue. I agree with OP that from Rolex catalog, the DJ41 has the closest resemblance to the 5711.

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However, Patek spends 55% of its time on the finishing of its watches, while Rolex is machine-tooled. We can see the beautiful movement of the 5711 via the sapphire caseback:
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The 5711 is produced in very small numbers (exclusivity), while nobody outside Patek knows the exact production number, my guess is 300 blue and 250 white 5711 per year. DJ41, on the other hand, is produced in the multiple thousands?

The 5711 is 3mm more slim than the DJ41. It has a beautiful case and bracelet designed by a famous jeweler, and the proportion is perfect. While I like both the 5711 and DJ41, this is not a fair head-to-head comparison.

[subtona]

The difference?

One is a datejust and one is a Nautilus.


You could find a steel seiko automatic and ask the same question vs the datejust.

[JR16]

This is a silly thread. As Tyler, Neil, and others have pointed out it’s comparing apples to oranges. Not much of a point in trying to compare the two.


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[_speedmaster_]

Sorry to say, but neither for me. I really don’t get the 5711 hype, but different strokes for different folks I guess.

[FTX I]

You cannot fool all the people all the time. If the market price for a SS Patek is twice the price of a gold sports Rolex the only possible conclusion is that Patek is a better watch, at least for those who buy them.

[douglasf13]

Think Mercedes S500 vs. Rolls Royce.

[Mystro]

Not a PP fan. I tried a few on and the style isn’t me. The DJ is another story.

[Frank McKay]

Every one keeps referring to the level of “finishing and craftsmanship” on a Patek, that separates itself from Rolex. Can you provide details please? Where is this craftsmanship and finishing exactly? that is miles ahead of say a DD40?

Even if I were a millionaire I would never pay 50k for stainless steel watch.