Have you seen this PAM?

[xtratoe74]

Hi all,

Looking for some expert advise. Recently purchased a 114060 sub after wanting it for many years and love it. Next watch will be a Panerai, which I have also wanted for a long time. Looking for a PAM to meet the following criteria, if possible:

1. Luminor, preferably 1950
2. 44 mm
3. Manual wind with REAR power reserve >> automatic
4. Small seconds
5. No date or GMT
6. Sandwich dial

Thanks!

[Cru Jones]

I’m not an expert, but that exact set up doesn’t exist.

The only manual 44 mm 1950 is the 233, which doesn’t meet a number of your other criteria.

[rootbeer7]

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

I’m not an expert, but that exact set up doesn’t exist.

The only manual 44 mm 1950 is the 233, which doesn’t meet a number of your other criteria.

......but you simply must have it because it’s AMAZING (I’m biased!)

[synequano]

The closest is 796(?) but it's a destro,other option will be 422

[rootbeer7]

Originally Posted by synequano

The closest is 796(?) but it's a destro,other option will be 422

Bettarini case unfortunately, but close.

[xtratoe74]

Thanks for the responses, guys. I have seen the 422 and it’s gorgeous, but just too big for me at 47 mm. And the right sided crown on the 796 would bother me I think.

Will probably have to forgo manual wind. Any automatic 44 mm Luminors, 1950 or otherwise, with small seconds and no date?

[Panerol Forte]

The only two persons that I know of that can immediatly answer your question are "Travelller" and "synequano". You can wait for any of them to read your post and answer you, or you can message them directly. Good luck finding your grail watch

[nashh]

Nope doesn't exist IMO, only in wishlist!

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[Panerol Forte]

Originally Posted by synequano

The closest is 796(?) but it's a destro,other option will be 422

Oops.. haven't seen you already answered...

[rootbeer7]

Also Erik Asher may be able to help

[Panerol Forte]

I don't know if the Luminor Due is of interest to you, but I found the 943 that tiks some of your boxes. 45mm, Power Reserve on the back, Sandwich dial, No GMT,... but Date, Automatic, Not waterproof.

[Cru Jones]

Originally Posted by xtratoe74

Thanks for the responses, guys. I have seen the 422 and it’s gorgeous, but just too big for me at 47 mm. And the right sided crown on the 796 would bother me I think.

Will probably have to forgo manual wind. Any automatic 44 mm Luminors, 1950 or otherwise, with small seconds and no date?

No, all 44 mm autos have dates and small seconds.

[crazycarlitos]

Originally Posted by xtratoe74

3. Manual wind with REAR power reserve >> automatic

Are u looking for manual wind or auto movement ?

My only Pam is 911

Luminor marina (so it has small second hand), 300m depth, manual wind with 8 day power reserve (no rear PR indicator), sandwich dial in a 44mm (not 1950), no date, no gmt

It was just what I wanted along with a olive dial.
This thread needs more pics. Lol

Good luck in ur hunt

[legedema]

Originally Posted by xtratoe74

Hi all,

Looking for some expert advise. Recently purchased a 114060 sub after wanting it for many years and love it. Next watch will be a Panerai, which I have also wanted for a long time. Looking for a PAM to meet the following criteria, if possible:

1. Luminor, preferably 1950
2. 44 mm
3. Manual wind with REAR power reserve >> automatic
4. Small seconds
5. No date or GMT
6. Sandwich dial

Thanks!

haha, was very surprised reading your post.
same here, purchased a 114060 a few months ago and looking now for a Panerai now.
also same criteria but want a date function

[Vbmrk]

Originally Posted by legedema

haha, was very surprised reading your post.
same here, purchased a 114060 a few months ago and looking now for a Panerai now.
also same criteria but want a date function

If the date function is ok there’s a number you can choose from like the 312/359/351/etc.

I have an 8” wrist and I’ve always felt the 372/422 sits way too high to be considered as a regular wearer IMO.

Enjoy the search. That’s half the fun.

[Uppersouth]

If I was a new CEO and wanted to make a splash, 44mm variants of the 372/422 would have been in high demand and would please the masses. There’s always SIHH 2020!

[synequano]

There might be a carbotech 341 in sihh 2020 with experience training on how to pass the door without hitting your watch

[Ruud Van Driver]

737 is a manual, 44mm 1950 but it's a GMT, chrono and the power reserve is on the dial. Oh, and it's discontinued.

[legedema]

Originally Posted by Vbmrk

If the date function is ok there’s a number you can choose from like the 312/359/351/etc.

I have an 8” wrist and I’ve always felt the 372/422 sits way too high to be considered as a regular wearer IMO.

Enjoy the search. That’s half the fun.

thanks for your advise.

did call the AD and asked them 321 , didnt know that they dont build them any more.
the AD told me they continue with 1321 but somehow I dont like the blue second

[xtratoe74]

Thanks for all the responses. I suppose I should have mentioned that discontinued models are also up for grabs.

[xtratoe74]

Or... should I just go super classic and get a pre-owned PAM111, which I've always really loved. Does anyone have an opinion as to weather rotating with a 40mm modern Sub and a 44mm Panerai luminor, like the 111, feel imbalanced? Does the Rolex end up feeling small?

[KBM]

The 111 is a great, classic piece. It would compliment your sub nicely.

[KBM]

Originally Posted by Uppersouth

If I was a new CEO and wanted to make a splash, 44mm variants of the 372/422 would have been in high demand and would please the masses. There’s always SIHH 2020!

Those would be epic.

[xtratoe74]

OK. Sorry to be using this thread as a personal sounding board, but I think I'm honing in on what I really want. I have to say, I don't really see why I need a display back to see what is essentially an ETA movement on a diving watch. So now I'm thinking... PAM005! But- don't love the logo. Is there a past model, 44 mm Luminor Marina (small seconds) without the logo? I think the my whole obsession with having a power reserve was unnecessary.

[xtratoe74]

Ah, but not sandwich dial on the 005. PAM 111 it is. Thanks for the help!

[Cru Jones]

Originally Posted by xtratoe74

OK. Sorry to be using this thread as a personal sounding board, but I think I'm honing in on what I really want. I have to say, I don't really see why I need a display back to see what is essentially an ETA movement on a diving watch. So now I'm thinking... PAM005! But- don't love the logo. Is there a past model, 44 mm Luminor Marina (small seconds) without the logo? I think the my whole obsession with having a power reserve was unnecessary.

111.

Edit: just saw that you had noted it in a subsequent post. Good luck with the hunt! It’s a great watch.

[synequano]

Keep in mind that not all 111s have sandwich dial...E-G/H have painted dial but better decorated movt (graffiti)



My 111E as an example

[xtratoe74]

Good tip re: the 111 dial! Thnx. Also--

Anyone want to share what it feels like rotating between a Sub/Sub Date and the 111? Any pics? Thanks.

[rootbeer7]

No pics, but putting on a Rolex Sports after my 233 always seems......underwhelming!

[ajas]

Originally Posted by xtratoe74

Good tip re: the 111 dial! Thnx. Also--

Anyone want to share what it feels like rotating between a Sub/Sub Date and the 111? Any pics? Thanks.

I regularly rotate between Sub C and 000, 162, 232. I keep 610 for more dressy occasions.
I rotate all on " as per my mood " basis, but 000 and 232 takes most of the wrist time.
As 000 and 232 are manual time only watches it is very easy to set up time , wound it and here you go.

Quick date set up on Sub is also amazing making adjustments easy and fast.

162 is bit more time consuming, if you dont have Montegrappa pen with you, which in fact works as stinger tool for quick date set up.