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diggity · 27 January 2009, 09:52 AM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ayphotohosting

Is this a Frankenwatch? Or is this guy trustworthy?

jeff hess · 27 January 2009, 10:18 AM

gosh. tough to say. But unless the color continuity is off and a few other things have been altered, I would have to go with fake on this one.

I have emailed the guy to have him send some more pics to me.

Jeff

JimW · 27 January 2009, 10:27 AM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=270309354433

Where he sold another valjoux Rolex. Seems he is somewhat legit, nice feedback and all.

jeff hess · 27 January 2009, 11:04 AM

??????????????

JimW · 27 January 2009, 11:21 AM

HMMM, noq I am curious, according to my watch book the one I showed he sold is worth around 81,000. This one should have a cal 727 movement in order to be a daytona?

This Classic Wristwatchs book I have appears to be coming in handy............If I am reading it right:)

diggity · 27 January 2009, 11:24 AM

It is my understanding that they are the same.

JimW · 27 January 2009, 11:26 AM

Not from the auction pictures.

diggity · 27 January 2009, 11:33 AM

Here is what I have found online for pics of the movement:

http://www.elitewristwatch.com/graphics/rx2636m.jpg

It looks the same to me....

diggity · 27 January 2009, 11:39 AM

Anyone else have any thoughts on this piece? It is very odd that the last Rolex he sold went for so little although it seemed to be like a Frankenwatch.

JimW · 27 January 2009, 11:43 AM

Other one he sold said it had a 72c in it. I thought it should of had a 727 movement.
Watch book I have all the daytona's have a 727 or el primero movement unless I have missed something.

where are all the pro's when you need them. LOL!!!

diggity · 27 January 2009, 11:44 AM

I know, Jim. Where is everyone!?! A bunch of amateurs running the ship here and we are sinking LOL

It's my understanding that the Valjoux 72 movement was made by Valjoux and used by Rolex, and was also called cal 727......

diggity · 27 January 2009, 11:46 AM

Jim,
Check out this link http://www.minutemachines.com/massen...naDaytona.html

It says that the movement for this is Valjoux 72, but also known as Rolex 727....seems like Rolex re-branded it?

JimW · 27 January 2009, 12:00 PM

Can't say but according to my classic watch book, both of the watches if authentic are worth a great deal more than he is asking. But the 727 was stamped 727 and the 72c was stamped accordingly.

Someone who is reading this might be getting a good chuckle................ But in the end we might know what we are talking about...............with lessons of course.

jeff hess · 27 January 2009, 12:14 PM

Well,

the titles seem to say it all. A common Valjoux movement with a rolex dial of some kind.
not a Valjoux that had been reworked by Rolex to become a "rolex" movemtn.

the guys is selling movments. Perhaps valjoux 72 movements from a Hamilton or an Angelus.

Looks bogus. totaly bogus.

onkyo · 27 January 2009, 12:49 PM

I have no idea what this guy is really selling.

But whatever it is, I don't think we want it.

JimW · 27 January 2009, 01:28 PM

I reckon the question is answered. Thanks Jeff and Pav.

But I stand by what my book says, some rolex chrono's had the 72c in them. I got the book that shows it.
Anyone wants to see I can try and snap a pic of the watch. It is from the other watch he had posted. Watchbook said it was worth 81,000.00. Makes his 3550.00 seem like a.............................err............steal !

diggity · 27 January 2009, 04:02 PM

Yeah, something really doesn't add up. I had a well known watchmaker look at this and he said that it looks fine. I actually spoke with the seller on the phone, and his watchmaker told him that it wasn't right. <sigh>

27 January 2009, 09:52 AM	#1
diggity "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Los Gatos, CA Posts: 192	What do you guys think? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ayphotohosting Is this a Frankenwatch? Or is this guy trustworthy?

27 January 2009, 10:18 AM	#2
jeff hess "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Jeffrey P Hess Location: florida Watch: Patek and Ball Posts: 516	gosh. tough to say. But unless the color continuity is off and a few other things have been altered, I would have to go with fake on this one. I have emailed the guy to have him send some more pics to me. Jeff

27 January 2009, 10:27 AM	#3
JimW Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: Jim Location: Kentucky Watch: 18k Datejust Posts: 196	http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=270309354433 Where he sold another valjoux Rolex. Seems he is somewhat legit, nice feedback and all.

27 January 2009, 11:04 AM	#4
jeff hess "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Jeffrey P Hess Location: florida Watch: Patek and Ball Posts: 516	??????????????

27 January 2009, 11:21 AM	#5
JimW Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: Jim Location: Kentucky Watch: 18k Datejust Posts: 196	HMMM, noq I am curious, according to my watch book the one I showed he sold is worth around 81,000. This one should have a cal 727 movement in order to be a daytona? This Classic Wristwatchs book I have appears to be coming in handy............If I am reading it right:)

27 January 2009, 11:24 AM	#6
diggity "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Los Gatos, CA Posts: 192	It is my understanding that they are the same.

27 January 2009, 11:26 AM	#7
JimW Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: Jim Location: Kentucky Watch: 18k Datejust Posts: 196	Not from the auction pictures.

27 January 2009, 11:33 AM	#8
diggity "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Los Gatos, CA Posts: 192	Here is what I have found online for pics of the movement: http://www.elitewristwatch.com/graphics/rx2636m.jpg It looks the same to me....

27 January 2009, 11:39 AM	#9
diggity "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Los Gatos, CA Posts: 192	Anyone else have any thoughts on this piece? It is very odd that the last Rolex he sold went for so little although it seemed to be like a Frankenwatch.

27 January 2009, 11:43 AM	#10
JimW Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: Jim Location: Kentucky Watch: 18k Datejust Posts: 196	Other one he sold said it had a 72c in it. I thought it should of had a 727 movement. Watch book I have all the daytona's have a 727 or el primero movement unless I have missed something. where are all the pro's when you need them. LOL!!!

27 January 2009, 11:44 AM	#11
diggity "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Los Gatos, CA Posts: 192	I know, Jim. Where is everyone!?! A bunch of amateurs running the ship here and we are sinking LOL It's my understanding that the Valjoux 72 movement was made by Valjoux and used by Rolex, and was also called cal 727......

27 January 2009, 11:46 AM	#12
diggity "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Los Gatos, CA Posts: 192	Jim, Check out this link http://www.minutemachines.com/massen...naDaytona.html It says that the movement for this is Valjoux 72, but also known as Rolex 727....seems like Rolex re-branded it?

27 January 2009, 12:00 PM	#13
JimW Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: Jim Location: Kentucky Watch: 18k Datejust Posts: 196	Can't say but according to my classic watch book, both of the watches if authentic are worth a great deal more than he is asking. But the 727 was stamped 727 and the 72c was stamped accordingly. Someone who is reading this might be getting a good chuckle................ But in the end we might know what we are talking about...............with lessons of course.

27 January 2009, 12:14 PM	#14
jeff hess "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Jeffrey P Hess Location: florida Watch: Patek and Ball Posts: 516	Well, the titles seem to say it all. A common Valjoux movement with a rolex dial of some kind. not a Valjoux that had been reworked by Rolex to become a "rolex" movemtn. the guys is selling movments. Perhaps valjoux 72 movements from a Hamilton or an Angelus. Looks bogus. totaly bogus.

27 January 2009, 12:49 PM	#15
onkyo Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Pav Location: Manhattan Posts: 11,495	I have no idea what this guy is really selling. But whatever it is, I don't think we want it.

27 January 2009, 01:28 PM	#16
JimW Banned Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: Jim Location: Kentucky Watch: 18k Datejust Posts: 196	I reckon the question is answered. Thanks Jeff and Pav. But I stand by what my book says, some rolex chrono's had the 72c in them. I got the book that shows it. Anyone wants to see I can try and snap a pic of the watch. It is from the other watch he had posted. Watchbook said it was worth 81,000.00. Makes his 3550.00 seem like a.............................err............steal !

27 January 2009, 04:02 PM	#17
diggity "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Los Gatos, CA Posts: 192	Yeah, something really doesn't add up. I had a well known watchmaker look at this and he said that it looks fine. I actually spoke with the seller on the phone, and his watchmaker told him that it wasn't right. <sigh>

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