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angelicboris · 14 February 2019, 12:49 PM

Hey. I've been hanging around here for ages but mostly as a lurker. I just bought a sub on eBay from TRF member aftershok57. Unfortunately it turned out to be a pretty obvious fake. I should have known from the pictures but somehow I missed it. I want to believe the best about all people and my assumption is that his dealer ripped him off. Here are HIS pics to peruse. I hope that if you guys let him know its authenticity, he'll give me my money back without further issue.

Below, are my pics of the watch as received.

Thanks for any help. I hope the matter can be resolved quickly.

Gtecko · 14 February 2019, 12:51 PM

You are protected on Ebay... why not open a case?
The Ebay user could just pretend to be someone from here.

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mdubya · 14 February 2019, 12:53 PM

godawful fake, but no one needs to point that out. The pictures were also of an obviously fake watch as well so you should have done your due diligence. Do not waste your time trying to "prove" anything to the seller, go through paypal and get your money back.

angelicboris · 14 February 2019, 12:54 PM

I opened a case but I first need to request a return and wait three days for eBay to step in.

.paul · 14 February 2019, 01:04 PM

Wow. That's a pretty obvious fake. Hopefully he'll do the right thing and refund you before eBay has to step in. He can lose his eBay account and ability to use PayPal.

CorradoBrit · 14 February 2019, 01:39 PM

Total fake. Let Ebay take care of this.

CorradoBrit · 14 February 2019, 01:46 PM

OK somethings fishy. The watch sells 2/5 for $7420. On 2/6 it gets relisted and then the listing is ended early by the seller same day. Where does your purchase fit in? Did you do a deal off Ebay to save a few $$?

That seller has no feedback in over a year and no watch related sales. Maybe this account was hijacked and the username changed to someone on TRF to give sale legitimacy. I would not be surprised if the real 'aftershok57' knows nothing about this watch.

I'd be contacting the credit card company asap.

Laszlo · 14 February 2019, 01:54 PM

Scammed for sure. No eBay transaction? Wow.

angelicboris · 14 February 2019, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CorradoBrit

OK somethings fishy. The watch sells 2/5 for $7420. On 2/6 it gets relisted and then the listing is ended early by the seller same day. Where does your purchase fit in? Did you do a deal off Ebay to save a few $$?

That seller has no feedback in over a year and no watch related sales. Maybe this account was hijacked and the username changed to someone on TRF to give sale legitimacy. I would not be surprised if the real 'aftershok57' knows nothing about this watch.

I'd be contacting the credit card company asap.

The transaction was thankfully through eBay but eBay removed the listing after purchase.

CorradoBrit · 14 February 2019, 02:11 PM

Thats lucky for you. Have you reached out to aftershok57 through TRF? You could well be dealing with one and the same person. Both indicate location as El Paso TX.

angelicboris · 14 February 2019, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CorradoBrit

Thats lucky for you. Have you reached out to aftershok57 through TRF? You could well be dealing with one and the same person. Both indicate location as El Paso TX.

I'm as certain as can be based on the information I have that it's the same person. I prefer that all my communication with him be on record through eBay.

CorradoBrit · 14 February 2019, 02:31 PM

Has seller communicated with you through Ebay to make this right?

shaunylw · 14 February 2019, 02:38 PM

You are totally covered. eBay is great for buyers. I can’t see you having a single issue getting your money back. It may take a little bit but you will get it.

On the next one, find a friend that can check things like this. It’s a horrendous fake with at least 4-5 clear indicators. No biggie, your cash is wrapped up for maybe a few weeks but you get it back. That’s more than a lot of people can say when buying fakes.

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GLADIATOR · 15 February 2019, 12:50 AM

Known serial number FAKE
Apart from about 5 other things
EBay will protect you

socalwatchcollector · 15 February 2019, 03:52 AM

Wow.. That is a really bad junker too..

PRSWILL · 15 February 2019, 05:11 AM

He's not asking for an opinion on whether it's fake- he's asking for help with the scum bag seller. If anyone here knows this guy, blow him up.

but yeah- the serial number alone should have been a tip-off.

GLADIATOR · 15 February 2019, 05:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PRSWILL

He's not asking for an opinion on whether it's fake- he's asking for help with the scum bag seller. If anyone here knows this guy, blow him up.

but yeah- the serial number alone should have been a tip-off.

I can help, if he has any problem with eBay, but I do not think he will.
OP: PM me if you do

htbilgic · 15 February 2019, 05:38 AM

eBay would cover this. Although this situation is stressful, you don't need to worry about it.

mjclark32 · 15 February 2019, 05:52 AM

Top and bottom pics/watches are terrible.

WristCheckDaily · 15 February 2019, 07:59 AM

Hate to see things like this happen, your covered tho. Good luck.

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CorradoBrit · 15 February 2019, 09:33 AM

Silence from aftershok57 speaks volumes. He's aware of this thread

subtona · 15 February 2019, 09:42 AM

its fake, take action, the sooner the better.

Trepang · 15 February 2019, 10:38 AM

Help a rookie out. What are the obvious signs and indicators you can tell from the pictures.

I was scared to death to buy one on line. I knew I didn't know enough to avoid being scammed, so I went with a known retailer, DavidSW.

I'd just like to learn a little and I am curious what you guys picked up on from the pics.

smym18 · 15 February 2019, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trepang

Help a rookie out. What are the obvious signs and indicators you can tell from the pictures.

I was scared to death to buy one on line. I knew I didn't know enough to avoid being scammed, so I went with a known retailer, DavidSW.

I'd just like to learn a little and I am curious what you guys picked up on from the pics.

F437091 is a commonly used fake serial.

Trepang · 15 February 2019, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smym18

F437091 is a commonly used fake serial.

Gotcha.

Thanks.

WristCheckDaily · 15 February 2019, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trepang

Help a rookie out. What are the obvious signs and indicators you can tell from the pictures.

I was scared to death to buy one on line. I knew I didn't know enough to avoid being scammed, so I went with a known retailer, DavidSW.

I'd just like to learn a little and I am curious what you guys picked up on from the pics.

The date number 2 is terribly done

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GLADIATOR · 15 February 2019, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trepang

Help a rookie out. What are the obvious signs and indicators you can tell from the pictures.

I was scared to death to buy one on line. I knew I didn't know enough to avoid being scammed, so I went with a known retailer, DavidSW.

I'd just like to learn a little and I am curious what you guys picked up on from the pics.

Sorry we dont go into so much detail, but serial number is known
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speedy_master1 · 15 February 2019, 12:14 PM

Just by looking at it it can tell it’s a fake let alone the serial number. It’s unfortunate things like this happens but fortunately you are covered by eBay protection.

When buying on eBay you have to be very careful and also do your homework on the watch before moving forward.

crowncollection · 15 February 2019, 12:33 PM

If you paid via PayPal you will be fine

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angelicboris · 15 February 2019, 01:41 PM

Thankfully I did pay via PayPal. I was hoping for better from aftershok57 though. It's been only silence.

14 February 2019, 12:49 PM	#1
angelicboris "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: USA Posts: 26	Bought a Sub from TRF member aftershok57. Please help! Hey. I've been hanging around here for ages but mostly as a lurker. I just bought a sub on eBay from TRF member aftershok57. Unfortunately it turned out to be a pretty obvious fake. I should have known from the pictures but somehow I missed it. I want to believe the best about all people and my assumption is that his dealer ripped him off. Here are HIS pics to peruse. I hope that if you guys let him know its authenticity, he'll give me my money back without further issue. Below, are my pics of the watch as received. Thanks for any help. I hope the matter can be resolved quickly.

14 February 2019, 01:54 PM	#8
Laszlo 2025 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: San Francisco, CA Watch: Date & No Date Posts: 10,866	Scammed for sure. No eBay transaction? Wow. __________________ "You might as well question why we breathe. If we stop breathing, we'll die. If we stop fighting our enemies, the world will die." Paul Henreid as Victor Laszlo in Casablanca

15 February 2019, 12:50 AM	#14
GLADIATOR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Adam Location: Costa Blanca, Watch: YMII,GMTII,DAYTONA Posts: 5,288	Known serial number FAKE Apart from about 5 other things EBay will protect you __________________ The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. Winston Churchill "We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing, while others judge us by what we have already done."

15 February 2019, 05:52 AM	#19
mjclark32 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: MJC Location: PHL USA Watch: IWC, Rolex, AP Posts: 29,232	Top and bottom pics/watches are terrible. __________________

15 February 2019, 09:42 AM	#22
subtona 2025 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: gus Location: East Coast Watch: APK & sometimes Y Posts: 26,733	its fake, take action, the sooner the better. __________________

14 February 2019, 12:51 PM	#2
Gtecko "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Halifax Posts: 518	You are protected on Ebay... why not open a case? The Ebay user could just pretend to be someone from here. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

14 February 2019, 12:53 PM	#3
mdubya "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Canada Posts: 132	godawful fake, but no one needs to point that out. The pictures were also of an obviously fake watch as well so you should have done your due diligence. Do not waste your time trying to "prove" anything to the seller, go through paypal and get your money back.

14 February 2019, 12:54 PM	#4
angelicboris "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: USA Posts: 26	I opened a case but I first need to request a return and wait three days for eBay to step in.

14 February 2019, 01:04 PM	#5
.paul "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: WA ST Posts: 6	Wow. That's a pretty obvious fake. Hopefully he'll do the right thing and refund you before eBay has to step in. He can lose his eBay account and ability to use PayPal.

14 February 2019, 01:39 PM	#6
CorradoBrit "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Europe bound Posts: 1,408	Total fake. Let Ebay take care of this.

14 February 2019, 01:46 PM	#7
CorradoBrit "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Europe bound Posts: 1,408	OK somethings fishy. The watch sells 2/5 for $7420. On 2/6 it gets relisted and then the listing is ended early by the seller same day. Where does your purchase fit in? Did you do a deal off Ebay to save a few $$? That seller has no feedback in over a year and no watch related sales. Maybe this account was hijacked and the username changed to someone on TRF to give sale legitimacy. I would not be surprised if the real 'aftershok57' knows nothing about this watch. I'd be contacting the credit card company asap.

14 February 2019, 02:11 PM	#10
CorradoBrit "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Europe bound Posts: 1,408	Thats lucky for you. Have you reached out to aftershok57 through TRF? You could well be dealing with one and the same person. Both indicate location as El Paso TX.

14 February 2019, 02:31 PM	#12
CorradoBrit "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Europe bound Posts: 1,408	Has seller communicated with you through Ebay to make this right?

14 February 2019, 02:38 PM	#13
shaunylw 2025 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Here Posts: 4,817	You are totally covered. eBay is great for buyers. I can’t see you having a single issue getting your money back. It may take a little bit but you will get it. On the next one, find a friend that can check things like this. It’s a horrendous fake with at least 4-5 clear indicators. No biggie, your cash is wrapped up for maybe a few weeks but you get it back. That’s more than a lot of people can say when buying fakes. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

15 February 2019, 03:52 AM	#15
socalwatchcollector "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Real Name: John Location: newport beach Watch: Pateks Plural Posts: 1,620	Wow.. That is a really bad junker too..

15 February 2019, 05:11 AM	#16
PRSWILL "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Minnesota Posts: 274	He's not asking for an opinion on whether it's fake- he's asking for help with the scum bag seller. If anyone here knows this guy, blow him up. but yeah- the serial number alone should have been a tip-off.

15 February 2019, 05:38 AM	#18
htbilgic "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Chicago Watch: Doxa Pro 300 NoT Posts: 535	eBay would cover this. Although this situation is stressful, you don't need to worry about it.

15 February 2019, 07:59 AM	#20
WristCheckDaily "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2018 Real Name: Bin Location: NYC Watch: Lvc, blnr, 126333 Posts: 94	Hate to see things like this happen, your covered tho. Good luck. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

15 February 2019, 09:33 AM	#21
CorradoBrit "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Europe bound Posts: 1,408	Silence from aftershok57 speaks volumes. He's aware of this thread

15 February 2019, 10:38 AM	#23
Trepang "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2019 Location: US East Coast Posts: 118	Help a rookie out. What are the obvious signs and indicators you can tell from the pictures. I was scared to death to buy one on line. I knew I didn't know enough to avoid being scammed, so I went with a known retailer, DavidSW. I'd just like to learn a little and I am curious what you guys picked up on from the pics.

15 February 2019, 12:14 PM	#28
speedy_master1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: california Watch: can't decide. Posts: 2,477	Just by looking at it it can tell it’s a fake let alone the serial number. It’s unfortunate things like this happens but fortunately you are covered by eBay protection. When buying on eBay you have to be very careful and also do your homework on the watch before moving forward.

15 February 2019, 12:33 PM	#29
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,244	If you paid via PayPal you will be fine Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ watches many

15 February 2019, 01:41 PM	#30
angelicboris "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: USA Posts: 26	Thankfully I did pay via PayPal. I was hoping for better from aftershok57 though. It's been only silence.

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