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songxu · 30 January 2009, 04:43 AM

Guys:

I am Chinese Canadian born in China. I love Rolex and hate fakes. I understand lots of fake Rolex are from China, as well as from Japan and Swiss. If you guys find out a fake is actually made in China, by all means, call it "Chinese made fake". However, in many posts in the Watch Out forume, many people uses the language such as "Chinatown Special", "Chinese made fake", or "junk straight from China" without knowing and having evidence that the fake is from China, it is unfair to the hardworking Chinese workers who also made your furnitures, your underware, your PC and your TVs. Chinese manufactureres made many high quality products that we use everyday. The latest Lenovo Idea Pad PC has very high quality alumina case that looks and feels far better than IBM ThinkPad. At the same time Swiss also made low quality low cost products that I saw on Chinese TV late night direct sale channels. So, be a little sensitive here, I would highly appreciate.

song

Ed Rooney · 30 January 2009, 04:58 AM

If even 10% of the fakes were from countries other than China you would have a valid complaint, but my understanding is that Chinese fake and fake are 99% synonymous. Those "Swiss Replicas" with ETA movements are from China.

Sorry.

2careless · 30 January 2009, 04:58 AM

Share your sentiments song. I'm Chinese too.
However, if only Chinese govn't observes other people's trademark and intellectural property rights, things won't go so out of hand. Can't blame others, i'm afraid.

BTW, ever read the book "The ugly Chinaman" by a Taiwanese author Bo Yang? Good read.

cody p · 30 January 2009, 05:01 AM

i see your point: don't attach the chinese label unless you are certain the watch originated from china. i can respect that.

yannis · 30 January 2009, 05:12 AM

Hey songxu i can see your point and i never use terms like the ones you mentioned above but most replicas do originate from your homeland! It is not your fault mate and i can see why you feel bad though!

ocwatching · 30 January 2009, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by 2careless

Share your sentiments song. I'm Chinese too.
However, if only Chinese govn't observes other people's trademark and intellectural property rights, things won't go so out of hand. Can't blame others, i'm afraid.

BTW, ever read the book "The ugly Chinese" by a Taiwanese author Park Yang (or Bo Yang)? Good read.

X2 and I am Chinese as well...

Dr.B · 30 January 2009, 05:20 AM

capiche

kokovovoru · 30 January 2009, 05:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2careless

Share your sentiments song. I'm Chinese too.
However, if only Chinese govn't observes other people's trademark and intellectural property rights, things won't go so out of hand. Can't blame others, i'm afraid.

BTW, ever read the book "The ugly Chinese" by a Taiwanese author Park Yang (or Bo Yang)? Good read.

Agreed. I am sorry but, China is a bona fide safe heaven for all kinds of copy rights infringement, conterfeit merchandise,human rights violation, E-waste mishandling, and, not to mention, the decade-long food swindling practices. Given the impressive track record, it's hard to convice people that these issues were not originated in China and Hong Kong. Please convince otherwise.
http://www.amazon.com/Ugly-Chinaman-...3257826&sr=8-1

Quicksilver · 30 January 2009, 05:36 AM

I think Songxu understands that many fakes come from China - but it should not blind us to the fact that incomporably more hard working and honest Chinese are not engaged in the counterfit industry. I can sympathise with his viewpoint.

Its just a question of not rubbing it in with tasteless jokes.

SLS · 30 January 2009, 05:39 AM

The terms are not meant to be directed towards the people, just where the product most likely originated. I do see your point though.
~Scott

WatchSmith · 30 January 2009, 05:59 AM

I think a lot of people are disgusted with the fakes, not with all Chinese people. Try not to take it as disrespect because it's not meant that way. In the mean time, the fact remains that China is the world's leading manufacturer of counterfeit merchandise. I do see your point and I hope you see mine as well.

Omega_Precision · 30 January 2009, 06:09 AM

The fake watches from China is an excuse for people to use racial slurs towards the Chinese. A lot of times things are said about certain fake watches that seem to be directed/indirectly towards the Chinese. I see it in here and the I feel the OP's view.

dead steve · 30 January 2009, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by songxu

stuff

song

get over yourself

rijowysock · 30 January 2009, 06:36 AM

complain to your country about their laws against copyrighted information/and producing counterfeits..

china allows it, so they make it, so the rest of the world majority from china.

mopsey · 30 January 2009, 06:38 AM

Over sensitive if you ask me.

Omega_Precision · 30 January 2009, 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rijowysock

complain to your country about their laws against copyrighted information/and producing counterfeits..

china allows it, so they make it, so the rest of the world gets it from china.

He isn't complaining about fake watches.

He is complaining that there are racial remarks made against the Chinese when fake watches are mentioned.

Again, fake watches do not justify racism.

BER · 30 January 2009, 06:41 AM

He doesn't like F A K E !!!!

jeangtd · 30 January 2009, 06:42 AM

It's not your fault there are so many fake articles coming from your country, so dont take it personally, every country in the world has something they'r people are not proud of.

daytona1 · 30 January 2009, 06:42 AM

Please I deal with people saying hatefull things to me every day. I'm jewish. People say that I try to "jew them down" when making business deals. Or that I killed Jesus. Or that we have big noses because we want all the air. Or we have horns on our head. Or we have sex through a hole in a sheet. I can go on forever. Deal with it!!!!!

Omega_Precision · 30 January 2009, 06:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daytona1

Please I deal with people saying hatefull things to me every day. I'm jewish. People say that I try to "jew them down" when making business deals. Or that I killed Jesus. Or that we have big noses because we want all the air. Or we have horns on our head. Or we have sex through a hole in a sheet. I can go on forever. Deal with it!!!!!

You are right, we deal it everyday.

I just don't expect it on a message board.

dead steve · 30 January 2009, 06:45 AM

nobody is saying all chinese are making fakes, but most fakes are chinese

bit like not all muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are muslim

and..... get over yourself please

GrandDaddy · 30 January 2009, 06:49 AM

So which is the "land of fakes" then?

toph · 30 January 2009, 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daytona1

Please I deal with people saying hatefull things to me every day. I'm jewish. People say that I try to "jew them down" when making business deals. Or that I killed Jesus. Or that we have big noses because we want all the air. Or we have horns on our head. Or we have sex through a hole in a sheet. I can go on forever. Deal with it!!!!!

you forgot the most important- Jews are tight-fisted and mean with money

dead steve · 30 January 2009, 06:53 AM

i find most stereotypes are true.... that's why they exist

BER · 30 January 2009, 06:55 AM

Nihao

Omega_Precision · 30 January 2009, 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BER

Nihao

I like that chrono.

toph · 30 January 2009, 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dead steve

i find most stereotypes are true.... that's why they exist

stereotypes exist because people judge without knowing

chenx15 · 30 January 2009, 06:59 AM

sorry my friend but now a days no matter how much we prevent it Chinese made is very synonymous to replicas and rip off. but i understand yoru sentiment

Omega_Precision · 30 January 2009, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toph

you forgot the most important- Jews are tight-fisted and mean with money

This thread is an excuse to make that comment?

Omega_Precision · 30 January 2009, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dead steve

i find most stereotypes are true.... that's why they exist

very ignorant.

30 January 2009, 04:43 AM	#1
songxu "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Detroit Posts: 177	guys, be a little sensitive here, appreciated Guys: I am Chinese Canadian born in China. I love Rolex and hate fakes. I understand lots of fake Rolex are from China, as well as from Japan and Swiss. If you guys find out a fake is actually made in China, by all means, call it "Chinese made fake". However, in many posts in the Watch Out forume, many people uses the language such as "Chinatown Special", "Chinese made fake", or "junk straight from China" without knowing and having evidence that the fake is from China, it is unfair to the hardworking Chinese workers who also made your furnitures, your underware, your PC and your TVs. Chinese manufactureres made many high quality products that we use everyday. The latest Lenovo Idea Pad PC has very high quality alumina case that looks and feels far better than IBM ThinkPad. At the same time Swiss also made low quality low cost products that I saw on Chinese TV late night direct sale channels. So, be a little sensitive here, I would highly appreciate. song

30 January 2009, 04:58 AM	#3
2careless "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Melbourne, AU Watch: Pepsi Posts: 4,370	Share your sentiments song. I'm Chinese too. However, if only Chinese govn't observes other people's trademark and intellectural property rights, things won't go so out of hand. Can't blame others, i'm afraid. BTW, ever read the book "The ugly Chinaman" by a Taiwanese author Bo Yang? Good read. Last edited by 2careless; 30 January 2009 at 05:24 AM.. Reason: put in the correct title and author name.

30 January 2009, 05:12 AM	#5
yannis "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: Yannis Location: Europe Watch: maniac Posts: 9,070	Hey songxu i can see your point and i never use terms like the ones you mentioned above but most replicas do originate from your homeland! It is not your fault mate and i can see why you feel bad though! __________________ Rolex Submariner 116610LV \| Tudor 79220N DSSD MEMBERS - OWNERS CLUB

30 January 2009, 05:36 AM	#9
Quicksilver "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: David Location: London+Guangzhou Watch: ing watches Posts: 2,603	I think Songxu understands that many fakes come from China - but it should not blind us to the fact that incomporably more hard working and honest Chinese are not engaged in the counterfit industry. I can sympathise with his viewpoint. Its just a question of not rubbing it in with tasteless jokes. __________________ Rolex Sea Dweller 116600, GMT Master II 16710 (Pepsi) and 116710 BLNR, Daytona 116500LN, Submariner 14060M.

30 January 2009, 05:39 AM	#10
SLS "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Scott Location: GMT -7 Watch: GMT's & Sub's Posts: 10,401	The terms are not meant to be directed towards the people, just where the product most likely originated. I do see your point though. ~Scott __________________ "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of lower price is forgotten." -Benjamin Franklin Member No. 922

30 January 2009, 04:58 AM	#2
Ed Rooney "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Annapolis, MD Watch: Sea-Dweller 16600 Posts: 5,081	If even 10% of the fakes were from countries other than China you would have a valid complaint, but my understanding is that Chinese fake and fake are 99% synonymous. Those "Swiss Replicas" with ETA movements are from China. Sorry.

30 January 2009, 05:01 AM	#4
cody p "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Canada Watch: Air-King 114200 Posts: 2,878	i see your point: don't attach the chinese label unless you are certain the watch originated from china. i can respect that.

30 January 2009, 05:20 AM	#7
Dr.B "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: Fernando Location: North Carolina Watch: SS White Daytona Posts: 1,944	capiche

30 January 2009, 05:59 AM	#11
WatchSmith 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: USA Posts: 702	I think a lot of people are disgusted with the fakes, not with all Chinese people. Try not to take it as disrespect because it's not meant that way. In the mean time, the fact remains that China is the world's leading manufacturer of counterfeit merchandise. I do see your point and I hope you see mine as well.

30 January 2009, 06:09 AM	#12
Omega_Precision Banned Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Henry Location: CA, US Watch: ing basketball Posts: 2,977	The fake watches from China is an excuse for people to use racial slurs towards the Chinese. A lot of times things are said about certain fake watches that seem to be directed/indirectly towards the Chinese. I see it in here and the I feel the OP's view.

30 January 2009, 06:36 AM	#14
rijowysock "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Riley Location: 41.89° N, 87.62° Watch: URWERK Posts: 499	complain to your country about their laws against copyrighted information/and producing counterfeits.. china allows it, so they make it, so the rest of the world majority from china.

30 January 2009, 06:38 AM	#15
mopsey "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Martin Location: London Watch: Sub,Exp2,BlkBy,SD Posts: 1,258	Over sensitive if you ask me. __________________ Lest we forget.

30 January 2009, 06:41 AM	#17
BER Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: FRANCE Watch: DAYTONA 116520 Posts: 120	He doesn't like F A K E !!!!

30 January 2009, 06:42 AM	#18
jeangtd "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Colombia Posts: 427	It's not your fault there are so many fake articles coming from your country, so dont take it personally, every country in the world has something they'r people are not proud of. __________________ Pepsi GMT Master II (Z series)Sub 14060M COSC (M series) Platinum yatchmaster (random) JLC Master Compressor Chrono Sub-C (random) Sub C bluessy (random) IWC big pilot

30 January 2009, 06:42 AM	#19
daytona1 Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: miami Posts: 673	Please I deal with people saying hatefull things to me every day. I'm jewish. People say that I try to "jew them down" when making business deals. Or that I killed Jesus. Or that we have big noses because we want all the air. Or we have horns on our head. Or we have sex through a hole in a sheet. I can go on forever. Deal with it!!!!!

30 January 2009, 06:45 AM	#21
dead steve Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: on a bus Posts: 41	nobody is saying all chinese are making fakes, but most fakes are chinese bit like not all muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are muslim and..... get over yourself please

30 January 2009, 06:49 AM	#22
GrandDaddy Banned Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 576	So which is the "land of fakes" then?

30 January 2009, 06:53 AM	#24
dead steve Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: on a bus Posts: 41	i find most stereotypes are true.... that's why they exist

30 January 2009, 06:55 AM	#25
BER Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: FRANCE Watch: DAYTONA 116520 Posts: 120	Nihao

30 January 2009, 06:59 AM	#28
chenx15 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: somewhere Posts: 2,891	sorry my friend but now a days no matter how much we prevent it Chinese made is very synonymous to replicas and rip off. but i understand yoru sentiment __________________ 16 GS Titles 16 AMS titles (1 short of Agassi) 23 Consecutive GS semifinals 17/18 of the last GS finals, 237 consecutive weeks #1 5 consecutive wimbledon + 1 = 6 cups 5 consecutive US open 4 Australian open 1 Sweet french open a crown for every achievement The Greatest Of All Time loves Rolex

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