What's awesome about Rolex

[vandyologist]

Here's what I love about Rolex...

The brand is singularly focused on perfecting the do-everything, wear-everyday watch. Sure there's a lot of marketing but the truth is that the Chronergy escapement and Parachrom hairspring and the Oystersteel and the like all serve this purpose. I love that they do everything in-house. They'll invest in perfecting materials and production in order to make this 150-year-old technology better. They produce watches that are antimagnetic, shock resistant and water proof. You can swim the English Channel, summit Everest, or go to a board meeting in your Rolex and it'll continue to keep great time. At the price point of a SS Rolex, there's no better mechanical watch on the planet.

I own other brands, but it's always a Rolex that goes with me on a hike or into the ocean or wherever because you don't have worry about them. And they also look great.

[Brew]

I agree. From the pool, to work, to dinner and out for the evening, the watch doesn't need to change.

[Deep18]

Originally Posted by vandyologist

Here's what I love about Rolex...

The brand is singularly focused on perfecting the do-everything, wear-everyday watch. Sure there's a lot of marketing but the truth is that the Chronergy escapement and Parachrom hairspring and the Oystersteel and the like all serve this purpose. I love that they do everything in-house. They'll invest in perfecting materials and production in order to make this 150-year-old technology better. They produce watches that are antimagnetic, shock resistant and water proof. You can swim the English Channel, summit Everest, or go to a board meeting in your Rolex and it'll continue to keep great time. At the price point of a SS Rolex, there's no better mechanical watch on the planet.

I own other brands, but it's always a Rolex that goes with me on a hike or into the ocean or wherever because you don't have worry about them. And they also look great.

Well said. I agree completely.

[Noonan]

Originally Posted by vandyologist

At the price point of a SS Rolex, there's no better mechanical watch on the planet.

That's cute

[CoveWatch]

I really enjoy the build, look and versatility of a Rolex sports watch!

[ashokleyland]

I concur.


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[vandyologist]

Originally Posted by Noonan

That's cute

For the price of a $7350 DJ 41 with a 3235 movement, what would you say is better?

[Syed117]

Originally Posted by vandyologist

Here's what I love about Rolex...

The brand is singularly focused on perfecting the do-everything, wear-everyday watch. Sure there's a lot of marketing but the truth is that the Chronergy escapement and Parachrom hairspring and the Oystersteel and the like all serve this purpose. I love that they do everything in-house. They'll invest in perfecting materials and production in order to make this 150-year-old technology better. They produce watches that are antimagnetic, shock resistant and water proof. You can swim the English Channel, summit Everest, or go to a board meeting in your Rolex and it'll continue to keep great time. At the price point of a SS Rolex, there's no better mechanical watch on the planet.

I own other brands, but it's always a Rolex that goes with me on a hike or into the ocean or wherever because you don't have worry about them. And they also look great.

I love Rolex as much as the next sane person, but there is so much wrong here.

Passion and enthusiasm are great, but stuff like this gives Rolex owners a bad name.

[vandyologist]

Originally Posted by Syed117

I love Rolex as much as the next sane person, but there is so much wrong here.



Passion and enthusiasm are great, but stuff like this gives Rolex owners a bad name.

Sorry to offend you. I guess I’ll start another thread complaining about gray dealers or scratches on my PCLs.

[Dan Pierce]

Originally Posted by Syed117

I love Rolex as much as the next sane person, but there is so much wrong here.

Passion and enthusiasm are great, but stuff like this gives Rolex owners a bad name.

Spot on. The marketing department has hooked many. There's also a ownership learning curve where many evolve to understand just how powerful the marketing can be. Kudos to the promo department but always best to keep a proper perspective.
dP

[Syed117]

Originally Posted by vandyologist

Sorry to offend you. I guess I’ll start another thread complaining about gray dealers or scratches on my PCLs.

It's not about offending anyone, but your posts reads like a bunch of marketing nonsense.

The problem is the Rolex bubble that causes people start actually believing these things. Rolex spends more on advertising than any other watch brand. It's not even close.

Here's some things you are objectively wrong about.

- You mentioned Rolex produced antimagnetic watches. I'm assuming you mean the milgauss which is rated to 1000 gauss. That one model. Omega's master chronometer movements which are going into the majority of their watches are rated to 15,000 gauss and often for much less. That's 15 times better than a Rolex for less.
- Grand Seiko watches are objectively finished better for less. Their hands, hour indices and their even their dials (arguably) are better than Rolex.

Loving the thing you have is fine and where Rolex excels is producing fantastic watches with iconic designs that have aged extremely well over the decades.

[jsausley]

Originally Posted by vandyologist

For the price of a $7350 DJ 41 with a 3235 movement, what would you say is better?

A $50 quartz watch. You're not fooling anyone, Rolex enthusiasts included, when you say that a Rolex is mechanically a good value.

The main reason why a Rolex is a good value is because they're popular and in demand, which makes prices hold firm or rise in value whereas most Omegas, TAGs, Hublots, IWCs and Panerais lose value instead.

[vandyologist]

Originally Posted by Dan Pierce

There's also a ownership learning curve
dP

And I'm giving owners a bad name? Come on. I recognize the marketing BS as well but the point is that they do continue to invest for very slight, incremental improvements, even though mechanical watch movements are a "mature" technology.

[TimingIsEverything]

Originally Posted by vandyologist

Sorry to offend you. I guess I’ll start another thread complaining about gray dealers or scratches on my PCLs.

[jsausley]

Originally Posted by Syed117

- You mentioned Rolex produced antimagnetic watches. I'm assuming you mean the milgauss which is rated to 1000 gauss. That one model. Omega's master chronometer movements which are going into the majority of their watches are rated to 15,000 gauss and often for much less. That's 15 times better than a Rolex for less.

I think the Milgauss isn't actually rated to 1,000 gauss anymore -- that was the case when it came out, but I'm pretty sure all Rolex watches with a silicon hairspring are capable of withstanding 1,000 gauss now that they don't have a metallic hairspring (the most susceptible part of the watch). The current Milgauss can probably stand significantly more than 1,000 gauss.

Not saying that they're as antimagnetic as an Omega, but still.

[Syed117]

Originally Posted by jsausley

I think the Milgauss isn't actually rated to 1,000 gauss anymore -- that was the case when it came out, but I'm pretty sure all Rolex watches with a silicon hairspring are capable of withstanding 1,000 gauss now that they don't have a metallic hairspring (the most susceptible part of the watch). The current Milgauss can probably stand significantly more than 1,000 gauss.

Not saying that they're as antimagnetic as an Omega, but still.

It's possible, but Rolex.com still mentions that 1000 number

[abozz]

Originally Posted by jsausley

A $50 quartz watch. You're not fooling anyone, Rolex enthusiasts included, when you say that a Rolex is mechanically a good value.

The main reason why a Rolex is a good value is because they're popular and in demand, which makes prices hold firm or rise in value whereas most Omegas, TAGs, Hublots, IWCs and Panerais lose value instead.

I'm paying for a wonderful COCS MECHANICAL watch, that is the marvel!!!! Is not a computer o quartz electronic movement and being mechanical is +2 / - 2 seconds a day! And works for a lifespan!

[kwingy]

Originally Posted by Noonan

That's cute

Lol I read that bit too and thought the same.

Sorry OP but it's hard to take that line seriously there when you post a picture of a Pepsi so notoriously difficult to get at retail. Had you posted a picture of an OP or DJ I would agree to an extent.

[MercedesHand]

Originally Posted by vandyologist

For the price of a $7350 DJ 41 with a 3235 movement, what would you say is better?

I share your passion for Rolex but there are many quality watch manufactures. If a person can divorce themselves from the branding on the dial, to answer your question...

https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/ha...ith-green-dial

That is a beautiful AND technical watch at least equal to the DJ if not superior.

But how many people that make up the mob believe that high horology can come from Japan?

We all have our biases.

This is a Rolex forum after all.

[Brew]

Sorry OP. I guess we can only enjoy $$$ and alignment points on TRF now.

Do you think Padi will show me how to make a pound sign before he goes?

[Dan Pierce]

Originally Posted by vandyologist

And I'm giving owners a bad name? Come on. I recognize the marketing BS as well but the point is that they do continue to invest for very slight, incremental improvements, even though mechanical watch movements are a "mature" technology.

Let's just say there's more sizzle than steak when it comes to marketing, as you have acknowledged. I chuckle when someone extols the latest so-called upgrades as if all previous references are now obsolete when there are 50 year old Oysters still ticking away, literally standing the test of time.

I hear what you're saying because I was you some years ago. After a while my feelings evolved. And the more exclusive the brand becomes the more I feel unwelcome. Sure I love that the value of my 16710 is flying into the stratosphere but I'm equally puzzled you can't even buy what you want at an AD at retail. Nothing puts a bad taste in my mouth than begging someone to take my money.

It reminds me many years ago when I wanted to get my vintage Patek serviced. The reply was it will take 2 years and $1800.00 for a watch in working condition with zero complications. Really? Too rich for my blood. No thanks.
dP

[desk jockey]

Well, I’m looking to buy a watch as a utility device (I genuinely have a need for a GMT / world timer piece) just now but I want it to be a little present to myself for all those jobs well done over the last decade.

I’ve done exhaustive research, tried on various Breitlings, Omegas and even Bulgaris but there is something about the finish on a Rolex that feels different and quite special. Not sure if it’s the steel itself or the actual finish but no other watch felt quite like a Rolex in the hand. The only other watch that really blew me away when I handled it was a Moser pioneer I had a chance to check out in Bucherer shop in Lausanne. That thing was put together like nothing else I’d seen.

Beyond that, the tactile sensation of handling a Rolex is totally unique as far as I’m concerned.

[Chester01]

Originally Posted by jsausley

A $50 quartz watch. You're not fooling anyone, Rolex enthusiasts included, when you say that a Rolex is mechanically a good value.

The main reason why a Rolex is a good value is because they're popular and in demand, which makes prices hold firm or rise in value whereas most Omegas, TAGs, Hublots, IWCs and Panerais lose value instead.

Sorry, I have had 50 dollar quartz watches, hell 100 dollar quartz watches. My 16610 has outlived them all, that’s right not just battery dying, but in the same span my wife had her concord with quartz movement, it failed 3 times and needed to be outright replaced. Rolex has been an exceptional value as I am out the cost for those watches and my 16610 keeps ticking and also hold the value. The sturdiness also in my personal experience has surpassed my experience with quartz movements.

The real issue that that because most folks in forums like these rarely test their watches and instead reach for the gshock they never learn what their watches are actually capable of. If one uses their watch as I do- a real watch to be worn, not jewelry I guarantee you will see the value.

The real marketing is that people have been lulled into thinking Rolex is jewelry and that the days of the automatic watch are behind us, so Rolex uses that to sell watches because the status and hype sell watches. But underneath the PCL’s is a beast that can take any punishment you dish out.

[Noonan]

Originally Posted by vandyologist

For the price of a $7350 DJ 41 with a 3235 movement, what would you say is better?

I can find micro brand watches with Swiss automatic movements and all the features of a DJ for like $500. So any of those are better for the money. They keep time just as well and often have even more water resistance.

Don't confuse your (our) love for Rolex as a brand and their actual value versus what they offer. Two very different things.

[jsausley]

Originally Posted by Chester01

Sorry, I have had 50 dollar quartz watches, hell 100 dollar quartz watches. My 16610 has outlived them all, that’s right not just battery dying, but in the same span my wife had her concord with quartz movement, it failed 3 times and needed to be outright replaced. Rolex has been an exceptional value as I am out the cost for those watches and my 16610 keeps ticking and also hold the value. The sturdiness also in my personal experience has surpassed my experience with quartz movements.

You fail to see the point about value. A Rolex is $7,500. That's 1500 times as much as a $50 quartz. Is your watch 1500 times better? Just because you've replaced it 3 times doesn't matter. That's $150. You're still a long way from $7,500.

[Chester01]

Originally Posted by jsausley

You fail to see the point about value. A Rolex is $7,500. That's 1500 times as much as a $50 quartz. Is your watch 1500 times better? Just because you've replaced it 3 times doesn't matter. That's $150. You're still a long way from $7,500.

No I don’t. I’m out the 100 bucks for the quartz. The Rolex has appreciated how many times that? I bought my 16610 for 3200, can get what let’s say 7000 grand. I can sell it now, pocket the profit. Where is my 100 bucks for the quartz models, gone.

Then of course there is the value of not having another disposable item, the value also comes from the fact that the same watch has been on my wrist when I got engaged, married, had children, etc. no memories of my trashed or broken watches.


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[Noonan]

Originally Posted by Chester01

No I don’t. I’m out the 100 bucks for the quartz. The Rolex has appreciated how many times that? I bought my 16610 for 3200, can get what let’s say 7000 grand. I can sell it now, pocket the profit. Where is my 100 bucks for the quartz models, gone.

Then of course there is the value of not having another disposable item, the value also comes from the fact that the same watch has been on my wrist when I got engaged, married, had children, etc. no memories of my trashed or broken watches.


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What happens if the Rolex bubble bursts and all of a sudden your watches are no longer considered an investment based on what you paid. Are they still the best value for the money? Today's market doesn't indicate a product's value. What's in demand today could be completely out of style by next year. A product being "best for the money" will stay that way regardless of the collector's market.

Love your Rolex. Be proud of your Rolex. But don't confuse the situation and think that a HIGHLY inflated luxury watch is "best for the money".

[Monty22]

Originally Posted by vandyologist

Sorry to offend you. I guess I’ll start another thread complaining about gray dealers or scratches on my PCLs.

Thank you. I am not sure what the point of the negative reply is/was


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[Uppersouth]

Originally Posted by Syed117

It's not about offending anyone, but your posts reads like a bunch of marketing nonsense.

The problem is the Rolex bubble that causes people start actually believing these things. Rolex spends more on advertising than any other watch brand. It's not even close.

Here's some things you are objectively wrong about.

- You mentioned Rolex produced antimagnetic watches. I'm assuming you mean the milgauss which is rated to 1000 gauss. That one model. Omega's master chronometer movements which are going into the majority of their watches are rated to 15,000 gauss and often for much less. That's 15 times better than a Rolex for less.
- Grand Seiko watches are objectively finished better for less. Their hands, hour indices and their even their dials (arguably) are better than Rolex.

Loving the thing you have is fine and where Rolex excels is producing fantastic watches with iconic designs that have aged extremely well over the decades.

He’s talking total package here. You had to mention two companies that beat rolex in their respective wheel houses. Marketing and hype aside, name a singular watch brand that compares in the price point. There are 30 brands that do a couple of great things, but few if any have matched them in terms of timeless design, durability and innovation within the price range. I’m an Omega fan too, but their marketing of endless special editions, and frequent design tweaks, it’s hard to compare them with Rolex, despite their superb movements.

[YYR]

Originally Posted by vandyologist

Here's what I love about Rolex...

The brand is singularly focused on perfecting the do-everything, wear-everyday watch. Sure there's a lot of marketing but the truth is that the Chronergy escapement and Parachrom hairspring and the Oystersteel and the like all serve this purpose. I love that they do everything in-house. They'll invest in perfecting materials and production in order to make this 150-year-old technology better. They produce watches that are antimagnetic, shock resistant and water proof. You can swim the English Channel, summit Everest, or go to a board meeting in your Rolex and it'll continue to keep great time. At the price point of a SS Rolex, there's no better mechanical watch on the planet.

I own other brands, but it's always a Rolex that goes with me on a hike or into the ocean or wherever because you don't have worry about them. And they also look great.

Good stuff! You make a good point! Besides for the hype, Rolex is a brand that’s focused on making a good product great and a great product even better which is very admirable.