16610lv Serial Number Question

[ajamoney]

Recently, I bought 16610lv flat4 products.

I understand that the serial number of the product up to 2003 starts from y94 to f0

The date on the guarantee card is December 22, 2003.

By the way, the serial number starts with f13xxxx.

I wonder if you recognize this product as a 50th anniversary production model.

Dial is mk1
The insert is b2.(Non-Sherif)

I need your advice.Thank you.

[1665fan]

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[scooba]

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But it’s defo possible with that early serial number

[1665fan]

There are a couple f1 and f3 flat 4 on eBay so you are probably ok

[ajamoney]

Originally Posted by scooba

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But it’s defo possible with that early serial number

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[ajamoney]

Originally Posted by 1665fan

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Ok

[1665fan]

I don’t see anything off upon first appearance, looks nice. Rolex is never going to publish the exact ending date of the flat 4 or what exact serial numbers it contains....they do not care

[djgallo]

Originally Posted by ajamoney

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Your picture is not that good. From what I can see I would question the bezel....in particular the “0” located at “20” and “40”...it doesn’t look right to me.

The Flat Four serial started at serial Y and ended in the F series.

You can get all the info on this watch at The Watch Club London at this link.

https://www.watchclub.com/curated-by...ry-sub-decoded

[1665fan]

Yea I just looked at the 4 and the big O....if the 0 in the 20 looks like a glitch in person than it’s definitley fake insert...then need to see engraving close ups which I’m sure you don’t have the camera for(I don’t either)

[Dr.Brian]

This whole flat 4 thing is crazy.
My brother has one though. He bought it new when it was released.

[Infusion1]

Some early D serial also have the flat 4

[BigAppleBill]

According to the The Watch Club website (link below) the Flat Four bezel was produced through Series F54****. I have a Flat Four with a Series number F4*****. Pics available in the Rolex for sale section.

[eskiserkan]

You should put better photos... The gap between the 4 and 0 seems wide. 0
near the 4 & 2 looks like Q in the photos.

Most of these flat four kermits are questionable in the market. The quide in watchclub web site most of the time correct but i saw some examples out of the table like a NOS F00 serial with mark 2 dial and flat four bezel or NOS F60 serial with mark 1 dial and b2 bezel.

[gunhose]

Do you know some owners who had their 5 digit subs with regular bezels were replaced by rcs with flat 4 on their lv without asking. The flat 4 is all internet hype ~~~

[BigAppleBill]

Originally Posted by gunhose

Do you know some owners who had their 5 digit subs with regular bezels were replaced by rcs with flat 4 on their lv without asking. The flat 4 is all internet hype ~~~

Is this a question or are you stating that this happened to “some owners”? Please explain who are these owners? Is this firsthand knowledge or did you read this “on the internets”? What is “internet hype”?

[lesliekkwu]

Originally Posted by ajamoney

Recently, I bought 16610lv flat4 products.

I understand that the serial number of the product up to 2003 starts from y94 to f0

The date on the guarantee card is December 22, 2003.

By the way, the serial number starts with f13xxxx.

I wonder if you recognize this product as a 50th anniversary production model.

Dial is mk1
The insert is b2.(Non-Sherif)

I need your advice.Thank you.

It should be a warranty paper not warranty card....

My F1 also dated nov 2003

[eskiserkan]

Originally Posted by gunhose

Do you know some owners who had their 5 digit subs with regular bezels were replaced by rcs with flat 4 on their lv without asking. The flat 4 is all internet hype ~~~

Its not hype as long as its a legit flat 4 from 2003-2004 with a serial up to F50**
The problem is many different type of frauds being made on this watch...

[Gmt21]

You have an F1 with Mark I dial and flat four. That is correct. However without papers that document it coming from factory as an LV you can’t be sure the dial and hands and insert weren’t swapped into a regular 16610 from that time. These Franken LVs exist. If you are worried take it to an RSC for evaluation. It costs around $150. I did it for one of mine that did not have papers and now I have proof it was born an LV

[fooey]

Originally Posted by djgallo

Your picture is not that good. From what I can see I would question the bezel....in particular the “0” located at “20” and “40”...it doesn’t look right to me.

The Flat Four serial started at serial Y and ended in the F series.

You can get all the info on this watch at The Watch Club London at this link.

https://www.watchclub.com/curated-by...ry-sub-decoded

omg! how did u notice that!

[Gmt21]

Originally Posted by eskiserkan

Its not hype as long as its a legit flat 4 from 2003-2004 with a serial up to F50**
The problem is many different type of frauds being made on this watch...

Flat fours have been documented way past F5 there is no concrete cutoff serial number. Regular pointed fours were also regularly shipped on this serial range.

[eskiserkan]

Originally Posted by Gmt21

Flat fours have been documented way past F5 there is no concrete cutoff serial number. Regular pointed fours were also regularly shipped on this serial range.

True, actually F60** is the highest serial i come up with mark 1 dial & flat four bezel. But i think its not that common higher than F52** and almost all of them are flat four's lower than F52**. Watchclub guide mentiones up to F54 or F55.

[Rado63]

show the warranty paper / card, you can hide most of the serial number in the photo.

[bigfatpauli]

Why does anyone care this much about the shape of a 4 exactly?

[JCC296]

Originally Posted by Gmt21

You have an F1 with Mark I dial and flat four. That is correct. However without papers that document it coming from factory as an LV you can’t be sure the dial and hands and insert weren’t swapped into a regular 16610 from that time. These Franken LVs exist.

Agree. The most import part of the LV set (in terms of proving indeed born as LV) is the green serial tag. Paper varies from region to region. For instance, an US paper may show 16610V, while South America countries like Brazil and such would only show 16610 on a little white sticker on the front of the certificate, but ALL tags show either 16610LV or 16610V. Franken LV do exist, but the Y9 would be tough to replicate from a regular 16610 Y9 as they are holed case. All true Y9 LV are non-hole case.

[Gmt21]

Originally Posted by JCC296

Agree. The most import part of the LV set (in terms of proving indeed born as LV) is the green serial tag. Paper varies from region to region. For instance, an US paper may show 16610V, while South America countries like Brazil and such would only show 16610 on a little white sticker on the front of the certificate, but ALL tags show either 16610LV or 16610V. Franken LV do exist, but the Y9 would be tough to replicate from a regular 16610 Y9 as they are holed case. All true Y9 LV are non-hole case.

The green tag is very easy to fake.

[JCC296]

Originally Posted by eskiserkan

Its not hype as long as its a legit flat 4 from 2003-2004 with a serial up to F50**

In my humble opinion, a Y9 flat 4 MK1 dial is not a hype as it's true 50th Anniversary Sub, and Rolex Submariner is one of the most iconic sport watches on this planet. However, the Rolex community has missed the point and incorretly focused on the flat 4 insert instead for collectibility and created the flat 4 insert hype. There are Y9 and F0 LV born with pointed 4/MK1 dial as well as flat 4/MK2 dial. I saw these back in 2006-2007 when they were trading in just $6000 range (nobody cared about flat 4 back then...so I doubt anyone would go thru the trouble switching insert or dial) Now would a Y9 LVs with the pointed 4 insert (made in 2003, 50 years from 1953) be less collectible/desirable than a F5 with legit flat 4 insert (made in 2004)? I highly doubt it.

[JCC296]

Originally Posted by Gmt21

The green tag is very easy to fake.

I guess they are but they are also very easy to tell.

[JCC296]

Originally Posted by Gmt21

Flat fours have been documented way past F5 there is no concrete cutoff serial number. Regular pointed fours were also regularly shipped on this serial range.

Yes.

[JCC296]

Originally Posted by Infusion1

Some early D serial also have the flat 4

Yes. Not only that, up to mid D, some were even shipped with MK1 oval O dial and either pointed or flat 4.

[Gmt21]

Originally Posted by JCC296

I guess they are but they are also very easy to tell.

Maybe, it’s a barcode laser printed label. . The green plastic tag would be harder to fake.