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Claven2 · 24 January 2020, 03:00 AM

I'm considering the purchase of one of these two subs.

Yes, I know they are very different and I can only afford one of them. Truthfully, I like them both about equally and it doesn't bother me that the TT is a little more bling than the understated SS watch.

What it comes down to, for me, is which represents the best value based on their state, condition, possible future resale, etc. The watch is complement my silver dial 36mm DJ as a nearly-every day carry watch. I want it to work equally well on the weekend, or under a suit cuff when I don't want the DJ on my wrist.

Both watches are selling for almost the same money (the stainless one is slightly more expensive)

The two-tone Submariner is from 1991, ref 16613, and has the box and papers, including the original bill of sale dated 1993. Last serviced at RSC in July 2019 and unworn since then. I don't know what, if anything has been changed on the watch, or whether 1993 is vintage enough for changed parts to even matter (?)

The steel Submariner is from 2004, ref 14060, and has no box or paperwork. Supposedly it's never been serviced and is likely due for one.

Neither watch has appreciable bracelet stretch that I could tell.

Any advice or input is appreciated. This is the only pic I have, though I do have a much higher resolution copy I can look at if needed (too large to post here).

Dr. Robert · 24 January 2020, 03:01 AM

Tough choice!

MattyL147 · 24 January 2020, 03:05 AM

I'm not a bluesy guy, so I'd go with the 14060 if you're cool buying without a full set.

101031-28 · 24 January 2020, 03:08 AM

If your DJ 36mm is SS, I would buy the 16613. If SS/18k I would buy the Sub SS

franktehtank · 24 January 2020, 03:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Claven2

I'm considering the purchase of one of these two subs.

Yes, I know they are very different and I can only afford one of them. Truthfully, I like them both about equally and it doesn't bother me that the TT is a little more bling than the understated SS watch.

What it comes down to, for me, is which represents the best value based on their state, condition, possible future resale, etc. The watch is complement my silver dial 36mm DJ as a nearly-every day carry watch. I want it to work equally well on the weekend, or under a suit cuff when I don't want the DJ on my wrist.

Both watches are selling for almost the same money (the stainless one is slightly more expensive)

The two-tone Submariner is from 1991, ref 16613, and has the box and papers, including the original bill of sale dated 1993. Last serviced at RSC in July 2019 and unworn since then. I don't know what, if anything has been changed on the watch, or whether 1993 is vintage enough for changed parts to even matter (?)

The steel Submariner is from 2004, ref 14060, and has no box or paperwork. Supposedly it's never been serviced and is likely due for one.

Neither watch has appreciable bracelet stretch that I could tell.

Any advice or input is appreciated. This is the only pic I have, though I do have a much higher resolution copy I can look at if needed (too large to post here).

I would pick the steel sub, but the bluesy is no slouch. It's nice that the bluesy is full kit and just serviced, but you can't wear the box, and I'd still rather wear the steel one.

By the way, that's a sub date, so 16610, not a 14060.

Asal94 · 24 January 2020, 03:09 AM

Personally id go for the SS Sub 16610, 2004 would make it a SEL bracelet so should hold up better than the older ones.

cbiggs · 24 January 2020, 03:10 AM

The right is a 16610 but

for lug holes!

If it comes down to these two, I would lean toward the 16610. It will be a better all around watch. Looks like its in great condition too!

Brian Page · 24 January 2020, 03:12 AM

If it were my only sub 14060, if not Bluesy

TswaneNguni · 24 January 2020, 03:15 AM

Neither ...Look for late serial 2008-2010 16610 and 16613s .I would always suggest box and papers too .I would buy both .Great references those

I have a M serial 16613 but looking for a 16610 too ..

Nikrnic · 24 January 2020, 03:21 AM

Easy peasy. 16610.

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LuminousMaximus · 24 January 2020, 03:31 AM

I would go for most awesome one...

Wedders · 24 January 2020, 03:36 AM

For me it’s the bluesy, but if it’s a daily watch the bluesy is a little too blingy so I would choose the 16610.

Rori · 24 January 2020, 03:37 AM

Steel but not without papers. I would keep looking.

samson66 · 24 January 2020, 04:10 AM

Bluesy way too flashy for me, you may discover you feel the same way after purchasing it. Go with the SS

beshannon · 24 January 2020, 04:11 AM

I prefer the steel version

RoyalOac · 24 January 2020, 04:13 AM

Bluesy! You have a DJ, add some color and different metal to the collection!

LandWatch · 24 January 2020, 04:16 AM

I would buy the steel one; classic design, metals and black is the most versatile. I’m not a fan of any gold or other precious metal. And the blue is too bright for my taste.

Claven2 · 24 January 2020, 04:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 101031-28

If your DJ 36mm is SS, I would buy the 16613. If SS/18k I would buy the Sub SS

FWIW, my DJ is a 36mm stainless 1601 with silver dial and white gold/Onyx markers. Stainless case, white gold fluted bezel, with a recent mfgr 62510H jubilee.

BisonHead · 24 January 2020, 04:55 AM

I would go with that TT all day long. Better provenance with it being a full set and also service records. Plus i have a real soft spot for the Sub Date TT Blue. With your DJ being SS makes a nice swap out to TT.

Pantheon · 24 January 2020, 04:57 AM

im not a sub guy but I think the ss looks better than the bluesy

Mlgatl · 24 January 2020, 04:57 AM

Black. All day. Classic and more generally desirable.

mmaggi · 24 January 2020, 05:00 AM

2-tone bluesy every day and twice on Sunday

MTdweller · 24 January 2020, 05:05 AM

I say bluesy. It was the reference that made me fall in love with Rolex over a decade ago. You already have a go-to SS watch for daily wear, why not add a little color to the lineup? I personally went for bluesy because it just felt more special to me. And that blue sunburst dial . . .

It’s a 6-digit model but I had to . . .

Tangier11 · 24 January 2020, 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 101031-28

if your dj 36mm is ss, i would buy the 16613. If ss/18k i would buy the sub ss

x2

m j b · 24 January 2020, 05:53 AM

Buy the sub!

LOL, j/k. SS, but as others said, find one with the box and papers, or get a really good discount on it (because it needs a service and box and papers).

Gdoc26 · 24 January 2020, 05:55 AM

Steel, harder to get, easier to take care of, can wear everyday to any occasion, swim, sports, jetski, skydive, anything goes with a SS sub.

Chester01 · 24 January 2020, 06:01 AM

Sorry, sub should be dressed in black-like Johnny cash. Just not a fan of two tone.

MrMercedes · 24 January 2020, 06:02 AM

NEVER buy a watch without papers!

Buy the blue one; the dial is pure magic and the watch is an absolute daily-rocker!

Lawrence of Alabama · 24 January 2020, 06:31 AM

Go with the steel sub..... Do it. Do it. Dooo it. Lol

enjoythemusic · 24 January 2020, 06:40 AM

Right only if it was serviced / as-new plus with box and papers, save the TT look for Rootbeer :)

(and yes read your post, Sub without box and no papers PLUS no service history.... ummmmmm).

24 January 2020, 03:00 AM	#1
Claven2 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Location: OTTAWA Posts: 374	Help me decide between these two subs?? I'm considering the purchase of one of these two subs. Yes, I know they are very different and I can only afford one of them. Truthfully, I like them both about equally and it doesn't bother me that the TT is a little more bling than the understated SS watch. What it comes down to, for me, is which represents the best value based on their state, condition, possible future resale, etc. The watch is complement my silver dial 36mm DJ as a nearly-every day carry watch. I want it to work equally well on the weekend, or under a suit cuff when I don't want the DJ on my wrist. Both watches are selling for almost the same money (the stainless one is slightly more expensive) The two-tone Submariner is from 1991, ref 16613, and has the box and papers, including the original bill of sale dated 1993. Last serviced at RSC in July 2019 and unworn since then. I don't know what, if anything has been changed on the watch, or whether 1993 is vintage enough for changed parts to even matter (?) The steel Submariner is from 2004, ref 14060, and has no box or paperwork. Supposedly it's never been serviced and is likely due for one. Neither watch has appreciable bracelet stretch that I could tell. Any advice or input is appreciated. This is the only pic I have, though I do have a much higher resolution copy I can look at if needed (too large to post here).

24 January 2020, 03:01 AM	#2
Dr. Robert 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Bob Location: U.S.A. Watch: 1655 Posts: 64,099	Tough choice! __________________ Founder & Card Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons

24 January 2020, 03:08 AM	#4
101031-28 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: USA Watch: 1665 Posts: 4,764	If your DJ 36mm is SS, I would buy the 16613. If SS/18k I would buy the Sub SS __________________ He could not just wear a watch. It had to be a Rolex. Ian Fleming

24 January 2020, 03:31 AM	#11
LuminousMaximus 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: USA Watch: me hit Huge Lotto Posts: 6,512	I would go for most awesome one... __________________ “Every man Dies... Not Every Man, Really Lives.” – William Wallace - To really lives means to live your life to the fullest. It means to chase your dreams, take risks, and to love life. Since everyone’s fate is the same, why not live the best life that you possibly can? In order to really live,you must seize the day. Live each day as if it's your last and overall just do it! Today is a gift, that’s why it’s called the present...

24 January 2020, 03:37 AM	#13
Rori "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Middle East Watch: Rolex / Tudor Posts: 3,592	Steel but not without papers. I would keep looking. __________________ Good watches are made to tell time but some brands are obsessed to tell it in the most beautiful way possible.

24 January 2020, 03:05 AM	#3
MattyL147 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: USA Posts: 1,207	I'm not a bluesy guy, so I'd go with the 14060 if you're cool buying without a full set.

24 January 2020, 03:09 AM	#6
Asal94 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Online Watch: 116610LN Posts: 97	Personally id go for the SS Sub 16610, 2004 would make it a SEL bracelet so should hold up better than the older ones.

24 January 2020, 03:10 AM	#7
cbiggs "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Chicago Posts: 304	The right is a 16610 but for lug holes! If it comes down to these two, I would lean toward the 16610. It will be a better all around watch. Looks like its in great condition too!

24 January 2020, 03:12 AM	#8
Brian Page "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: USA Posts: 6,623	If it were my only sub 14060, if not Bluesy

24 January 2020, 03:15 AM	#9
TswaneNguni "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: . Watch: Daytonas/Subs/GMTs Posts: 12,609	Neither ...Look for late serial 2008-2010 16610 and 16613s .I would always suggest box and papers too .I would buy both .Great references those I have a M serial 16613 but looking for a 16610 too ..

24 January 2020, 03:21 AM	#10
Nikrnic "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2017 Real Name: Louis Nick Ric Location: Michigan, USA Watch: Blnr, Expll, Subs, Posts: 10,171	Easy peasy. 16610. Sent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk

24 January 2020, 03:36 AM	#12
Wedders "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Somewhere in U.K. Posts: 507	For me it’s the bluesy, but if it’s a daily watch the bluesy is a little too blingy so I would choose the 16610.

24 January 2020, 04:10 AM	#14
samson66 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Mike Location: Downy Ocean Hon Watch: my money leaving! Posts: 13,768	Bluesy way too flashy for me, you may discover you feel the same way after purchasing it. Go with the SS

24 January 2020, 04:11 AM	#15
beshannon "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: Brian Location: Northern Virginia Watch: One of Not Many Posts: 17,892	I prefer the steel version __________________ IWC Portugieser 7 Day, Omega Seamaster SMP300m, Vacheron Constantin Traditionnelle Complete Calendar, Glashutte PanoInverse, Glashutte SeaQ Panorama Date, Omega Aqua Terra 150, Omega CK 859, Omega Speedmaster 3861 Moonwatch, Breitling Superocean Steelfish, JLC Atmos Transparent Clock

24 January 2020, 04:13 AM	#16
RoyalOac "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: NY Posts: 458	Bluesy! You have a DJ, add some color and different metal to the collection! __________________ Rolex Daytona 116500LN Rolex GMT Master II 126710 BLRO Rolex Submariner 116610 LV Rolex Submariner 126613 LB Audemars Piguet Royal Oak 15300ST

24 January 2020, 04:16 AM	#17
LandWatch "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: U.K. Posts: 708	I would buy the steel one; classic design, metals and black is the most versatile. I’m not a fan of any gold or other precious metal. And the blue is too bright for my taste.

24 January 2020, 04:55 AM	#19
BisonHead "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: UK Watch: Sub,SD,DJ,OP Posts: 1,950	I would go with that TT all day long. Better provenance with it being a full set and also service records. Plus i have a real soft spot for the Sub Date TT Blue. With your DJ being SS makes a nice swap out to TT.

24 January 2020, 04:57 AM	#20
Pantheon Banned Join Date: Nov 2019 Real Name: Ritchie Location: NYC & LI Watch: VC and AP Posts: 580	im not a sub guy but I think the ss looks better than the bluesy

24 January 2020, 04:57 AM	#21
Mlgatl "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Real Name: Thanos II Location: Georgia Posts: 97	Black. All day. Classic and more generally desirable.

24 January 2020, 05:00 AM	#22
mmaggi Banned Join Date: Sep 2019 Real Name: Michael Location: Nassau County, NY Watch: 16710 Posts: 889	2-tone bluesy every day and twice on Sunday

24 January 2020, 05:53 AM	#25
m j b "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Real Name: Michael Location: RTP, NC, USA Watch: ♕& Ω Posts: 5,215	Buy the sub! LOL, j/k. SS, but as others said, find one with the box and papers, or get a really good discount on it (because it needs a service and box and papers). __________________ Enjoy life - it has an expiration date. Disclaimer: Please note that the avatar is not an accurate representation of how I look. The camera adds 10 pounds...

24 January 2020, 05:55 AM	#26
Gdoc26 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: Colorado Posts: 100	Steel, harder to get, easier to take care of, can wear everyday to any occasion, swim, sports, jetski, skydive, anything goes with a SS sub.

24 January 2020, 06:01 AM	#27
Chester01 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: East Coast Watch: 16610 Posts: 4,933	Sorry, sub should be dressed in black-like Johnny cash. Just not a fan of two tone.

24 January 2020, 06:02 AM	#28
MrMercedes "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Real Name: David Location: here and there Watch: too many! Posts: 3,588	NEVER buy a watch without papers! Buy the blue one; the dial is pure magic and the watch is an absolute daily-rocker!

24 January 2020, 06:31 AM	#29
Lawrence of Alabama "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2019 Location: Florida Posts: 58	Go with the steel sub..... Do it. Do it. Dooo it. Lol

24 January 2020, 06:40 AM	#30
enjoythemusic 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Real Name: Steven Location: Glocal Posts: 21,074	Right only if it was serviced / as-new plus with box and papers, save the TT look for Rootbeer :) (and yes read your post, Sub without box and no papers PLUS no service history.... ummmmmm). __________________ __________________ ----> TAMPA Meetup In December 2024 <---- https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?p=13450519 Love timepieces and want to become a Watchmaker? Rolex has a sensational school. www.RolexWatchmakingTrainingCenter.com/ Sent from my Etch A Sketch using String Theory.

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