From SUBMARINER 16610 to GMT 2c

[Asian Sub]

Hi guys. I am contemplating on getting a Rolex GMT 2c. I currently have a Submariner 16610 late Z series. I just would want to know your opinions, especially those that have both or have also upgraded from a Submariner, if it would be worth it to upgrade from a Submariner to a GMT 2c. Please let me know your opinions and thoughts

[chenx15]

Hi Kabayan Ken! it's definitely worth it going to gmtIIC. i had the 16610 it's an amazing watch but i just find the GMTIIC more versatile and more functional

[mfer]

I have both and the GMT IIc is definitely my favorite. I love the looks over the sub.

The sub however is more comfortable (for me). Just fits better and light in comparison to the GMT IIc.

That being said, I still prefer the GMT.

[Asian Sub]

Hi chenx15. Thanks for your input. Just would want to make sure that i would not regret it since buying an expensive watch and flipping it later would cost a lot of money :) I just hope that this would be worth it. I have been flipping a lot of Rolex lately from Datejust to Explorer 2 and then to Submariner. Each watch i had didnt last me a year before deciding to flip again. I hope that the GMT 2c would be with me for more than a year :)

[Asian Sub]

Originally Posted by mfer

I have both and the GMT IIc is definitely my favorite. I love the looks over the sub.

The sub however is more comfortable (for me). Just fits better and light in comparison to the GMT IIc.

That being said, I still prefer the GMT.

Thanks for the picture Mik. But why do you find the Sub more comfortable to wear than the GMT 2c when the bracelet and clasp of the GMT 2 has been upgraded unlike the Sub?

[mfer]

The sub is more balanced in my opinion. Slightly lower profile than the GMT IIc. Also, just the fact that it is lighter with the hollow center links on the sub.

The differences are really very minor. It does not affect my decision on which watch to wear each day. Just pointing out the very subtle differences.

The sub would be PERFECT with the new clasp, but I say keep the hollow center links. Why carry around the extra weight. People associate weight with value I think.

[Timber Loftis]

Originally Posted by Asian Sub

I have been flipping a lot of Rolex lately from Datejust to Explorer 2 and then to Submariner. Each watch i had didnt last me a year before deciding to flip again. I hope that the GMT 2c would be with me for more than a year :)

No offense intended, but maybe the issue here is with you, and not the watches. A lot of us suffer from this malady, I suspect.

The bracelet and clasp of the IIc aren't the biggest factors affecting comfort -- the added weight is.

[Ozzie]

Try an old style GMT, 16710 too. I was contemplating a GMT2c, a great price was on offer but I preferred the look of an old style Pepsi on the wrist.

[Overkill]

I have a 16610 Sub now, and the plan is to buy an SS GMT-IIC in June.

The SS GMT-IIC is great-looking, newer, and more functional. This, however, doesn't mean that I'm going to let go of my 16610. The Sub is a classic and I'd never want to not have one.

Thankfully, I don't have to choose, I can have both. Part of me thinks that if I ever had to choose one, then it would have to be the Sub; it's such an iconic watch.

[BigHat]

Have them both, the GMT-IIC would be the last one I'd flip.

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by Asian Sub

Hi guys. I am contemplating on getting a Rolex GMT 2c. I currently have a Submariner 16610 late Z series. I just would want to know your opinions, especially those that have both or have also upgraded from a Submariner, if it would be worth it to upgrade from a Submariner to a GMT 2c. Please let me know your opinions and thoughts

Have BOTH if you can......but whatever the hell you do.......DO NOT sell the 16610. It's still the BEST and most recognised Rolex in the world - a must for any and every collection.

Good luck - JJ

[Bebot]

I have an old Sub "X" (16610) that I am going to sell to fund for the GMT IIc.

I know people say to keep the subs but after owning it for awhile, it kind get old just like anything else.

[Mikery1985]

JJ
I spoke with my AD today about upgrading my Sub by changing the fliplock to a glidelock clasp and he told me that Rolex would not do the deal. Can you give me any advice? Is it possible to buy just a new glidelock or easylink clasp and keep the fliplock when service is necessary?
Any help is greatly appreciated. I am really disappointed in the thinness and lack of robustness of the fliplock and would like to change it soon.

Randy

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by Mikery1985

JJ
I spoke with my AD today about upgrading my Sub by changing the fliplock to a glidelock clasp and he told me that Rolex would not do the deal. Can you give me any advice? Is it possible to buy just a new glidelock or easylink clasp and keep the fliplock when service is necessary?
Any help is greatly appreciated. I am really disappointed in the thinness and lack of robustness of the fliplock and would like to change it soon.

Randy

I wouldn't worry about the clasp, Randy. Your AD is right......I don't think you will find the glidelock clasp separately and it's not worth the expense trying to upgrade your current classic 16610.

Just leave it be and DON'T sell it - it's a classic exactly as it is. Nothing wrong with the present clasp and bracelet. It's been time-proven for several years and never failed......so why tamper with a good thing now?

Just hang on to it, wear it and enjoy the living daylights out of it!!

JJ

[BigHat]

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

I wouldn't worry about the clasp, Randy. Your AD is right......I don't think you will find the glidelock clasp separately and it's not worth the expense trying to upgrade your current classic 16610.

Just leave it be and DON'T sell it - it's a classic exactly as it is. Nothing wrong with the present clasp and bracelet. It's been time-proven for several years and never failed......so why tamper with a good thing now?

Just hang on to it, wear it and enjoy the living daylights out of it!!

JJ

JJ is right.
In my view, you are embarking on a expensive and wasteful voyage. Yep, I loved the GMT-IIC clasp and thought the folded Sub clasp was too cheap for the watch. You read the same in watch magazines about the Sub clasp. After I bought a Sub, (clasp was no deal breaker) I realized what a superb clasp it has. Yes, not as nice as the GMT-IIC, but a tried and true clasp working well on about 20 million Subs around the world. I feel the same about the GL clasp. Sure it's nice, if I get a Rolex with that clasp I'll be happy, but I'd never spend a dime to upgrade from what's prefectly functional already and certainly wouldn't make a "frankenwatch" which you'd be doing. Of course, finding a GL for sale at anything remotely reasonable in price probably makes this an academic discussion anyway.

[Mikery1985]

JJ
I agree that there is nothing necessarily wrong with the clasp. There is no issue with the security just that the thinness or that it appears to be less robust than is befitting the watch. I guess that the appropriate course of action is to just buy a GMT II or another watch that has the better clasp. I wish that Rolex would allow an upgrade. They do put a different (better?) clasp on the TT Sub and Gold Sub so why wouldn't they put a more robust clasp on the SS one? The question is rhetorical and only Rolex can answer their position. So, no recourse, except to be satisfied or buy new!

Thanks for listening to me vent, JJ
Randy

[Mikery1985]

I agree that the cost of changing the clasp is not worth the effort. My AD quoted $1,300 for just the GMT II SS clasp. That is really not worth it.

Thanks, all
Randy

[Overkill]

Originally Posted by Mikery1985

I agree that the cost of changing the clasp is not worth the effort. My AD quoted $1,300 for just the GMT II SS clasp. That is really not worth it.

Thanks, all
Randy

$1,300? That's ridiculous! The SS Sub stamped clasp here is LE 1,400 (~ $250). I know the SS GMT-IIC clasp is much better, but still, that's way too much IMO.

[jimbo1mcm]

The GMT II C is so balanced that I don't even feel it on my wrist. Go for it.

[Mikery1985]

Even if I wanted to afford the $1,300 my AD said that I can't buy it from him so is there another supplier that can sell me one?

[Rebel]

I'd go Sub.

[hflee55]

i would keep the sub and save up for the GMTIIc. imho, the sub is a must-have in any watch collection.

[Asian Sub]

Thanks alot for all your inputs. I appreciate all those who responded. I am currently inclined on getting the GMT 2c as its really a nice watch with all the upgrades like better bracelet, clasp and ceramic bezel. I cannot keep 2 watches since i am a one-watch kind of person. :)

[Lion]

Ken, of course the decision lies with you. But will you be happy flipping the Sub? Is the GMT-IIc going to be the watch that gives you joy or will you be flipping it next year for something else!!!
I would look inward and find out what will satisfy you in the long haul!!!

[Asian Sub]

Originally Posted by Lion

Ken, of course the decision lies with you. But will you be happy flipping the Sub? Is the GMT-IIc going to be the watch that gives you joy or will you be flipping it next year for something else!!!
I would look inward and find out what will satisfy you in the long haul!!!

Good point. I will consider my decision. Thanks!

[postiff]

Originally Posted by Ozzie

Try an old style GMT, 16710 too. I was contemplating a GMT2c, a great price was on offer but I preferred the look of an old style Pepsi on the wrist.

That is not a bad idea. I have never owned or worn a sub just never caught my eye.

I Have the IIc and a 1675, the 1675 almost melts into your wrist it is so comfy. However once the IIc was introduced to the environment it too just fits right in almost like it was made specifically for me.

Should you get rid of one for another? No! I would just save up or finance the IIc?

[topcat30093]

How do you define UPGRADE?
To my way of thinking this is a sideways move, not an upgrade.
Yes the GMT IIc is a newer model with some new parts fitted.
But the Submariner is a Classic Rolex watch that imo is timeless as well as being an icon.
Ask anybody in the world to name a Rolex watch and I bet that most will come back with the word Sumariner.
Just my 2 pence worth.
Whatever you decide you can't go wrong.

[Dom]

Keep the sub. At the 1 year pace you are funding the used watch market and only you loose out.

[Asian Sub]

Guys, just had the chance to fit a GMT 2c from a friend who is also a member of this forum. I could really say that the GMt 2c is a very very nice watch. Aside from its useful upgrades, it looks great and classy. At first, i never did like this watch but after seeing pictures here in this forum and also the actual watch itself i could say that its definitely worth it. I used to like the Yatchmaster before as my next watch but after seeing the GMT 2c, in think this would be my next one. Its really a very handsome watch!

[bodybump]

Originally Posted by Asian Sub

Hi chenx15. Thanks for your input. Just would want to make sure that i would not regret it since buying an expensive watch and flipping it later would cost a lot of money :) I just hope that this would be worth it. I have been flipping a lot of Rolex lately from Datejust to Explorer 2 and then to Submariner. Each watch i had didnt last me a year before deciding to flip again. I hope that the GMT 2c would be with me for more than a year :)

Kabayan!!! im telling you once you start flipping you wont be able to stop..because you will be seeing a lot of great deals and its just so hard to say no...But the II c is well worth it...let me know too...