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keldridge00 · 28 June 2020, 01:10 AM

Good morning everyone,
This is my first post on these forums, however I have read a lot and I thank you for all of your help.

I'm looking to purchase my first Sub and this one came up here locally.

I will be meeting them at my local jeweler to authenticate, but I wanted to get your feedback first. The Bezel on this watch seems off to me. All of the other Subs that I have looked at have an engraved bezel that you can feel. Does this being a two tone change that? Please see picture.

Also, if you could give me your thoughts on this watch. The band looks good with normal wear. I'm more concerned with the face.

Thank you in advance for your help.

ferrissteve11 · 28 June 2020, 01:14 AM

WOW.....that one takes the cake. Can't be serious, and if so you might reconsider spending Rolex money on an item you have reservations about.

Heff · 28 June 2020, 01:15 AM

Older five digit models may or may not have the engraved rehaut. Just depends on the year. But that watch my friend looks fake, at least the bezel insert anyways.

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TswaneNguni · 28 June 2020, 01:15 AM

Greg.A · 28 June 2020, 01:16 AM

Whole bezel is off including insert. Swiss dial should be A series model 1999-2000

Judge · 28 June 2020, 01:16 AM

I am far from an expert, but the bezel appears to be fake, look at the 4 in 40.

Red flags for me.

watchmaker · 28 June 2020, 01:17 AM

Save yourself the bother and have nothing further to do with that watch.

As a side point, did you ask your local jeweller if they would ‘authenticate’ for you or were you just going to turn up and ask?

sutats · 28 June 2020, 01:18 AM

Hi Kyle and welcome to the forums. I'm don't know too much about the reference but what strikes me instantly as odd is the wonky bezel font on the bezel insert and the fanciful "4" on the "40".

sillo · 28 June 2020, 01:19 AM

Wow, that is the worst insert I've ever seen.

keldridge00 · 28 June 2020, 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ferrissteve11

WOW.....that one takes the cake. Can't be serious, and if so you might reconsider spending Rolex money on an item you have reservations about.

This is not my first Rolex purchase, just my first Sub purchase.

There are just so many models out there, in addition to the willingness of the owner to meet at my jeweler, it gave pause. Hence why I posted to this forum. I trust the insight on here. I didn't know if the bezels ever came like this.

TheRtHonA · 28 June 2020, 01:20 AM

I am pretty bad at identifying fakes but that one is pretty bad and looks off.

The bezel is the most obvious bit but I’m sure others will chime in with more.

I would not touch this!!!!

Crazy Lugs · 28 June 2020, 01:21 AM

Run away! Fast!!!

jackminny15 · 28 June 2020, 01:21 AM

Cyclops and date wheel font look off too.

keldridge00 · 28 June 2020, 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by watchmaker

Save yourself the bother and have nothing further to do with that watch.

As a side point, did you ask your local jeweller if they would ‘authenticate’ for you or were you just going to turn up and ask?

I was going to have my jeweler take the watch apart to authenticate. I have worked with them for years and I trust them.

Thank you for all the feedback on this. I knew something was off, but I wanted your help first.

Thank you again and have a great weekend.

bigfatpauli · 28 June 2020, 01:23 AM

"Something seems off"...

I'll say...

tkc324 · 28 June 2020, 01:24 AM

Wow that is so bad...

keldridge00 · 28 June 2020, 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sillo

Wow, that is the worst insert I've ever seen.

I thought so as well, I just haven't had the chance to see it in person yet.

keldridge00 · 28 June 2020, 01:26 AM

Thank you again everyone.
Like I said before, thank you for your knowledge on this.

TellingTime · 28 June 2020, 01:29 AM

Don’t waste your time...don’t walk..run from this one

mr ling · 28 June 2020, 01:46 AM

Even my wife says it's fake.

alphadweller · 28 June 2020, 01:52 AM

A fake to avoid like the plague.

GGGMT · 28 June 2020, 03:43 AM

Can’t put my finger on it, but something does look odd about that watch. Oh, I see it now — it’s fake.

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214270Explorer · 28 June 2020, 05:03 AM

Be careful having a "jeweler" authenticating any watch. Even the experts can be fooled on occasion.

If they don't even open it to check the movement -- that is a BAD sign of incompetence.

Better off buying from a Trusted Seller or an AD for your safety and peace of mind.

keldridge00 · 28 June 2020, 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 214270Explorer

Be careful having a "jeweler" authenticating any watch. Even the experts can be fooled on occasion.

If they don't even open it to check the movement -- that is a BAD sign of incompetence.

Better off buying from a Trusted Seller or an AD for your safety and peace of mind.

I agree with you on this. I use Southlake Jewelers here in Southlake, TX.

They always open the backs to check. So far I have been happy with their service. I agree, nobody is perfect.

Nevertheless, I just put a deposit on a GMT Master ii with Timepiece Gentlemen here in Dallas. Picking it up on Monday.

Nikrnic · 28 June 2020, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greg.A

Whole bezel is off including insert. Swiss dial should be A series model 1999-2000

X2... Red flag

with that bezel.

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watchnut100 · 28 June 2020, 07:06 AM

Insert is shocking bezel is really worn/heavy polished I would not dismiss it as a fake watch though, as looks very good otherwise.

antrolexsub · 28 June 2020, 07:15 AM

It’s genuine apart from the insert

GGGMT · 28 June 2020, 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by antrolexsub

It’s genuine apart from the insert

Maybe, but can’t see clasp, bracelet, case back, movement etc.

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Pim · 28 June 2020, 08:34 AM

I come to the watch out section to learn from the experts but I can find so many things wrong with this one that no one could have doubts

keldridge00 · 28 June 2020, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pim

I come to the watch out section to learn from the experts but I can find so many things wrong with this one that no one could have doubts

Could you elaborate?
I could tell the Bezel was off but the other pictures of it looked legit. I'm seriously asking, what other things were way off?

Thank you again.

28 June 2020, 01:10 AM	#1
keldridge00 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Real Name: Kyle Location: Trophy Club, TX Watch: All of them Posts: 13	Something Seems Off Good morning everyone, This is my first post on these forums, however I have read a lot and I thank you for all of your help. I'm looking to purchase my first Sub and this one came up here locally. I will be meeting them at my local jeweler to authenticate, but I wanted to get your feedback first. The Bezel on this watch seems off to me. All of the other Subs that I have looked at have an engraved bezel that you can feel. Does this being a two tone change that? Please see picture. Also, if you could give me your thoughts on this watch. The band looks good with normal wear. I'm more concerned with the face. Thank you in advance for your help. Attached Images

28 June 2020, 01:18 AM	#8
sutats "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: London Posts: 1,225	Hi Kyle and welcome to the forums. I'm don't know too much about the reference but what strikes me instantly as odd is the wonky bezel font on the bezel insert and the fanciful "4" on the "40". __________________ There's no such thing as a Submariner No Date, it's simply Submariner. You don't call a Porsche 911 Turbo, a Porsche 911 Turbo No S. www.instagram.com/sutatshorology Post Your Rolex/Tudor Watch Weight (PYRTWW)

28 June 2020, 01:19 AM	#9
sillo "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Real Name: Sean Location: NY Watch: 5 Digit Posts: 2,840	Wow, that is the worst insert I've ever seen. __________________ 14060 \| 16570 \| 16600 \| 16700 \| 16800 \| 79260 @TheGMTHand

28 June 2020, 05:03 AM	#23
214270Explorer "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: United States Watch: me buy Watches Posts: 3,955	Be careful having a "jeweler" authenticating any watch. Even the experts can be fooled on occasion. If they don't even open it to check the movement -- that is a BAD sign of incompetence. Better off buying from a Trusted Seller or an AD for your safety and peace of mind. __________________ “The display of actual intelligence terrifies much of mankind” Rolex "some" Tudor "some" Damasko "some" Misc Pieces "some" Marathon "some" GS Spring Drive "some" Hamilton "some" Findeisen "some"

28 June 2020, 01:14 AM	#2
ferrissteve11 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: USA Posts: 1,116	WOW.....that one takes the cake. Can't be serious, and if so you might reconsider spending Rolex money on an item you have reservations about.

28 June 2020, 01:15 AM	#3
Heff "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Germany Watch: Speedmaster Pro Posts: 1,023	Older five digit models may or may not have the engraved rehaut. Just depends on the year. But that watch my friend looks fake, at least the bezel insert anyways. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

28 June 2020, 01:15 AM	#4
TswaneNguni "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: . Watch: Daytonas/Subs/GMTs Posts: 12,609

28 June 2020, 01:16 AM	#5
Greg.A "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2020 Location: Hillside Posts: 372	Whole bezel is off including insert. Swiss dial should be A series model 1999-2000

28 June 2020, 01:16 AM	#6
Judge Banned Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Arlington Watch: DSSD MK I Posts: 528	I am far from an expert, but the bezel appears to be fake, look at the 4 in 40. Red flags for me.

28 June 2020, 01:17 AM	#7
watchmaker TechXpert Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Scott Location: London Posts: 2,242	Save yourself the bother and have nothing further to do with that watch. As a side point, did you ask your local jeweller if they would ‘authenticate’ for you or were you just going to turn up and ask?

28 June 2020, 01:20 AM	#11
TheRtHonA "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: London Posts: 111	I am pretty bad at identifying fakes but that one is pretty bad and looks off. The bezel is the most obvious bit but I’m sure others will chime in with more. I would not touch this!!!!

28 June 2020, 01:21 AM	#12
Crazy Lugs "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2019 Location: USA Posts: 855	Run away! Fast!!!

28 June 2020, 01:21 AM	#13
jackminny15 2025 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Minnesota Watch: Always changin' Posts: 1,015	Cyclops and date wheel font look off too.

28 June 2020, 01:23 AM	#15
bigfatpauli "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Toronto Posts: 684	"Something seems off"... I'll say...

28 June 2020, 01:24 AM	#16
tkc324 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Tom Location: Chi town Watch: Daytona AP DD Sub Posts: 3,718	Wow that is so bad...

28 June 2020, 01:26 AM	#18
keldridge00 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Real Name: Kyle Location: Trophy Club, TX Watch: All of them Posts: 13	Thank you again everyone. Like I said before, thank you for your knowledge on this.

28 June 2020, 01:29 AM	#19
TellingTime Banned Join Date: May 2020 Location: Over here Posts: 143	Don’t waste your time...don’t walk..run from this one

28 June 2020, 01:46 AM	#20
mr ling 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Real Name: Jake Location: USA Watch: My P&L Posts: 224	Even my wife says it's fake.

28 June 2020, 01:52 AM	#21
alphadweller "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2019 Real Name: Vic Location: Spain Watch: SD43 Posts: 6,219	A fake to avoid like the plague.

28 June 2020, 03:43 AM	#22
GGGMT 2025 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Itinerant Watch: 79010sg Posts: 8,478	Can’t put my finger on it, but something does look odd about that watch. Oh, I see it now — it’s fake. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

28 June 2020, 07:06 AM	#26
watchnut100 SCUMBAG Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: uk Posts: 341	Insert is shocking bezel is really worn/heavy polished I would not dismiss it as a fake watch though, as looks very good otherwise.

28 June 2020, 07:15 AM	#27
antrolexsub "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Earth Posts: 766	It’s genuine apart from the insert

28 June 2020, 08:34 AM	#29
Pim Banned Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: Netherlands Posts: 515	I come to the watch out section to learn from the experts but I can find so many things wrong with this one that no one could have doubts

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