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MoosicPa · 13 September 2020, 09:27 AM

Now that Rolex has a second ceramic bezel submariner upgrade (116610 and 216610), can we now classify the last aluminum bezeled model (16610) to be a vintage piece?

Old Expat Beast · 13 September 2020, 09:34 AM

Obsolete, maybe, but not vintage.

inadeje · 13 September 2020, 09:36 AM

I’d use the term modern classic before vintage. I tend to consider 4 digit (eg: 5513) as vintage since they’re around 50 years old now. However, I know that some are willing to classify anything neo-modern as vintage. Since I have the 4, 5, 6 digit its pretty cool to see the advances of the variant.

Rashid.bk · 13 September 2020, 09:38 AM

Almost but not quite there yet. Another 7-10 years.

ronricks · 13 September 2020, 10:02 AM

No

4vCoupe · 13 September 2020, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

Obsolete, maybe, but not vintage.

Obsolete?? No way.

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Thuilln · 13 September 2020, 11:03 AM

At this rate, anything without a maxi case is vintage.
But I agree with previous posts, Modern Classic is a better term for 5 digits.

zjd168 · 13 September 2020, 11:21 AM

many buyers still demand full sets or at least the paper, just saying

Redmy · 13 September 2020, 11:25 AM

I don't think so. Even a 16800 is just considered transitional / neo vintage.

faimag · 13 September 2020, 11:33 AM

Do we care? It's awesome regardless of which descriptor people use...

Redmy · 13 September 2020, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by faimag

Do we care? It's awesome regardless of which descriptor people use...

pretty much

donq · 13 September 2020, 12:04 PM

No. Go away and come back in ten years for final disapproval.

DoctorA · 13 September 2020, 01:10 PM

It’s all relative!

fskywalker · 13 September 2020, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

Obsolete, maybe, but not vintage.

Like more the term “dicontinued” that “obsolete” Adam

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jerryguo · 13 September 2020, 01:14 PM

≥ 50 years old is what I consider vintage

watchmainspring · 13 September 2020, 08:43 PM

Is a 1987 watch vintage? Is a 2010 watch vintage? I'd say "no" to either. Maybe 1987 is "retro"?

joli160 · 13 September 2020, 09:08 PM

Just old, not vintage

barneb10 · 13 September 2020, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by fskywalker

Like more the term “dicontinued” that “obsolete” Adam

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Very nice

Kowaco · 14 September 2020, 12:30 AM

Vintage means you'll know it when you see it

drockadam · 14 September 2020, 01:23 AM

I would agree with a classic! I love 5 digit Rolex's and 4 digits. I'm not a fan of anything Ceramic at all.

athom · 14 September 2020, 02:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoosicPa

Now that Rolex has a second ceramic bezel submariner upgrade (116610 and 216610), can we now classify the last aluminum bezeled model (16610) to be a vintage piece?

no way !

supernova · 14 September 2020, 02:55 AM

Doesn't Rolex class a watch being 25 years+ as vintage and different service pricing, or am I thinking of a different brand?

springer · 14 September 2020, 04:47 AM

I'm curious. Does the name "vintage," or any other name, change the desirability, value or collect-ability of a watch? I ask because I've never heard of anything that is called vintage becoming more valuable just because someone calls it vintage. Maybe I am missing something here. This relentless desire to call something vintage is evidenced by the several threads here on TRF makes me wonder whether I missed out on something during my years of collecting watches.

The fascination and desire to call something vintage definitely has me perplexed.

So, if it makes you happy, yes, a Sub 16610 is very, very vintage. It's as vintage as you make it and now that I think about it, that makes my 16610 vintage too.

SearChart · 14 September 2020, 04:53 AM

Introduced in 1989. Cars from that era would be called a 'modern classic'.

I wouldn't call it vintage.

r0lexguy · 14 September 2020, 05:55 AM

Tough crowd! After all isn’t “vintage” just another fancy word or description of something that’s old and used?

Dan S · 14 September 2020, 05:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by springer

The fascination and desire to call something vintage definitely has me perplexed.

Maybe they're just dying to participate in this forum.

Filipão · 14 September 2020, 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan S

Maybe they're just dying to participate in this forum.

JRDallasRolex · 14 September 2020, 06:34 AM

i like both

Tom1675 · 14 September 2020, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by springer

I'm curious. Does the name "vintage," or any other name, change the desirability, value or collect-ability of a watch? I ask because I've never heard of anything that is called vintage becoming more valuable just because someone calls it vintage. Maybe I am missing something here. This relentless desire to call something vintage is evidenced by the several threads here on TRF makes me wonder whether I missed out on something during my years of collecting watches.

The fascination and desire to call something vintage definitely has me perplexed.

So, if it makes you happy, yes, a Sub 16610 is very, very vintage. It's as vintage as you make it and now that I think about it, that makes my 16610 vintage too.

"evidenced by several threads" you mean "several monthly threads." I agree I don't know why it keeps coming up with specific examples to debate.

Chrislec · 14 September 2020, 11:55 AM

Like with wine, wait until they age a bit on the color (yellow-ish hour markers, bezel fading etc.). Call it vintage or not, they will still be desirable.

My guess is they will be in high demand in a decade or two, due to the combo of vintage patina + robustness of materials (like saphire) making them not as fragile as older vintage.

13 September 2020, 09:27 AM	#1
MoosicPa "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2010 Real Name: Don Location: Moosic PA Watch: King Midas & Subma Posts: 1,159	16610 = Vintage now? Now that Rolex has a second ceramic bezel submariner upgrade (116610 and 216610), can we now classify the last aluminum bezeled model (16610) to be a vintage piece? __________________ NAWCC Member "Nothing is to too beautiful, nothing is too expensive" Ettore Bugatti.

13 September 2020, 09:34 AM	#2
Old Expat Beast TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Adam Location: Far East Watch: Golden Tuna Posts: 28,780	Obsolete, maybe, but not vintage. __________________ _______________________

13 September 2020, 09:36 AM	#3
inadeje 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Miami Watch: me lose count. Posts: 5,883	I’d use the term modern classic before vintage. I tend to consider 4 digit (eg: 5513) as vintage since they’re around 50 years old now. However, I know that some are willing to classify anything neo-modern as vintage. Since I have the 4, 5, 6 digit its pretty cool to see the advances of the variant. __________________ ♛ 218206 Roman ♛ 116689 ♛ 126710BLRO ♛ 16520 white ♛ 16523 white ♛ 16610 ♛ 5513 Birth Year - ✠ Patek Philippe 5980/1R-001 - AP 26331ST Panda - Panerai Bronzo 671 & 111, Ω Speedmaster 1957 Broad Arrow, Cartier Santos XL - Montblanc TimeWalker Chrono 41

13 September 2020, 11:03 AM	#7
Thuilln "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Real Name: Nick Location: YUL Watch: 16570 Posts: 1,936	At this rate, anything without a maxi case is vintage. But I agree with previous posts, Modern Classic is a better term for 5 digits. __________________ Nick _________________________________________ 14060M - 114200 - 114270 - 214270 - 16710BLRO - 16570 - 3570.50 - Cartier Tank Solo - Cartier Tank Française ‘Yearling’ - CWC Navy Diver

13 September 2020, 01:10 PM	#13
DoctorA "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: USA Posts: 6,545	It’s all relative! __________________ Wear the watch you like, not the one they tell you to wear!

13 September 2020, 09:38 AM	#4
Rashid.bk "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Dallas Watch: 12800ft = 3900m Posts: 11,173	Almost but not quite there yet. Another 7-10 years.

13 September 2020, 10:02 AM	#5
ronricks 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: ATL Watch: 126610LV Posts: 2,744	No

13 September 2020, 11:21 AM	#8
zjd168 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: US Posts: 2,698	many buyers still demand full sets or at least the paper, just saying

13 September 2020, 11:25 AM	#9
Redmy "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: SF Posts: 242	I don't think so. Even a 16800 is just considered transitional / neo vintage.

13 September 2020, 11:33 AM	#10
faimag "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: US, SG, DK, GR Watch: Reverso Posts: 3,089	Do we care? It's awesome regardless of which descriptor people use...

13 September 2020, 12:04 PM	#12
donq "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Dallas tx Watch: 16610,1675,16030 Posts: 1,136	No. Go away and come back in ten years for final disapproval.

13 September 2020, 01:14 PM	#15
jerryguo "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Bay Area Watch: Rolex, PP, Lange Posts: 1,024	≥ 50 years old is what I consider vintage

13 September 2020, 08:43 PM	#16
watchmainspring 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: USA Watch: Casio F91W Posts: 928	Is a 1987 watch vintage? Is a 2010 watch vintage? I'd say "no" to either. Maybe 1987 is "retro"?

13 September 2020, 09:08 PM	#17
joli160 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: NL Watch: Yachtmaster Posts: 14,736	Just old, not vintage __________________ Day Date 18238, Yachtmaster 16622, Deepsea 116660, Submariner 116619, SkyD 326935, DJ 178271, DJ 69158, Yachtmaster 169622, GMT 116713LN, GMT 126711.

14 September 2020, 12:30 AM	#19
Kowaco "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Clemson Watch: G Shock Posts: 612	Vintage means you'll know it when you see it

14 September 2020, 01:23 AM	#20
drockadam "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Real Name: Adam Location: Ontario, Canada Watch: Pepsi. Posts: 5,749	I would agree with a classic! I love 5 digit Rolex's and 4 digits. I'm not a fan of anything Ceramic at all. __________________ - Adam Instagram: @GMTSUBTIME

14 September 2020, 02:55 AM	#22
supernova "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Europe/Asia Watch: AP/Rolex Posts: 1,342	Doesn't Rolex class a watch being 25 years+ as vintage and different service pricing, or am I thinking of a different brand?

14 September 2020, 04:47 AM	#23
springer 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,307	I'm curious. Does the name "vintage," or any other name, change the desirability, value or collect-ability of a watch? I ask because I've never heard of anything that is called vintage becoming more valuable just because someone calls it vintage. Maybe I am missing something here. This relentless desire to call something vintage is evidenced by the several threads here on TRF makes me wonder whether I missed out on something during my years of collecting watches. The fascination and desire to call something vintage definitely has me perplexed. So, if it makes you happy, yes, a Sub 16610 is very, very vintage. It's as vintage as you make it and now that I think about it, that makes my 16610 vintage too. __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

14 September 2020, 05:55 AM	#25
r0lexguy "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: phoenix Posts: 209	16610 = Vintage now? Tough crowd! After all isn’t “vintage” just another fancy word or description of something that’s old and used? __________________ watch.am \| SlashGear \| @Nguyen

14 September 2020, 06:34 AM	#28
JRDallasRolex "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: Dallas Posts: 55	i like both

14 September 2020, 11:55 AM	#30
Chrislec "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Shanghai Watch: 16610 Posts: 206	Like with wine, wait until they age a bit on the color (yellow-ish hour markers, bezel fading etc.). Call it vintage or not, they will still be desirable. My guess is they will be in high demand in a decade or two, due to the combo of vintage patina + robustness of materials (like saphire) making them not as fragile as older vintage.

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