local AD visit to see the new 2020 references...

[harvey]

my brother I visited our local AD by appointment to see the new 2020 references (dummy models).

...just some observations to share.

the 41mm OP doesn’t wear that big, it feels more like my Explorer 39mm.

the silver dial OP is stunning as it’s got that vintage look going on. the dial colouring along with the hands, font and indices detail is incredible...really works well against the stainless case.

the yellow OP is the perfect summer reference, or one to wear on a dreary winters day to cheer you up.

one thing I’m not sure about is the black font on the coloured dials. maybe it’s just my eyes but I don’t think it looks refined. still wouldn’t stop me buying the yellow one.

the Submariner case redesign is reminiscent of the 5 digit references. I think Rolex have corrected their previous error of the blocky design. I don’t think they could have done any better.

I have the original Kermit and the Hulk... and I am on the list for the Kermit2. As much as I like the new case redesign, and I do...I have to say the Hulk with its dial is the ‘nicer’ reference by a small margin.

the white gold Submariner with the blue bezel is heavy...really heavy. it’s outside my remit so can’t really comment but I again think it’s missing a coloured dial.

thank you for reading my rambling...

just to say you really need to see the new watches in person before deciding and ordering...

[Stevec14]

Sounds like a great morning. I agree re the subs. I haven’t seen them in person, but everything I have seen tells me these are really well done. For me, the WG sub needs a blue dial. Case shape aside, I’d go for the smurf (or just keep my BB58 blue).

I like the silver best of the OP’s. The splash of gold I think works very nicely. Did you see the red or green?

Did they give you any indication on how long you may wait for a Kermit?


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[harvey]

Thank you Steve.

I would say the red is more orange than red. for me it was my least favourite colour but I am sure on the right person it would look awesome!

I didn’t think there was much difference between the green dialled OP and the green bezel of the Kermit2. maybe the strong lights had something to do with that. As much as I like green... as I have the Kermit, Hulk and GV...the other OP colours are more appealing.

Sorry I didn’t ask about lead times about the Kermit2. The AD knows what references I like, so I just ask to be considered when something comes in. So when I do get an email, it really is a surprise which watch I will end up buying!

[Harry-57]

Do you notice a visible difference in size between the 41mm Sub versus the 40?

[harvey]

Harry, the 41 felt a touch smaller on the wrist than the previous 40...due to the svelte case design. I can not see any one complaining about it...

[Kiddodoc]

Agree on the subs. I had the kermit but wasn't too keen on it but sold it at an incredible profit. Was late to the LVc party but eventually added it. The dial is stunning and so unique to the sub line. Have the WG sub and love the blue. I would consider adding the new black sub and or the YG sub but not the new lv nor the WG sub.

[jrs146]

I haven’t seen any in person but I’m sure I’d agree with your observations. I’m also a Kermit and Hulk owner and although I’m on the list for a Cermit I do think I like the Hulk dial more. I’m honestly not a fan of the WG sub. The blue/black just looks lacking to me. I like the 126618 but again... I think the white print on the dial is second to the previous versions with gold print. I’m sure the new cases are nice, but I also don’t mind the previous versions at all.


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[Ranger67]

Originally Posted by Harry-57

Do you notice a visible difference in size between the 41mm Sub versus the 40?

I also went yesterday, only watch aficionados (but that’s us) will notice any difference, all new references are very nice but personally would not update my 11 for a 12 as to me changes are marginal (Sub range) new WG Blue bezel really took my fancy didn’t think it would, Ive registered an interest in the 12 Sub LN or LV, my wife didn’t like the green though so I’m on the fence with that not 100% smitten as I was with the Blue, OP range is very nice offered my wife the 36 Turquoise but she not really in to watches, she liked a ring she saw but at £44k she can keep liking

[Etschell]

Of course the changes are minimal other than the movement. That said i would like to see one in the flesh. Im a fan of the 11 series and im a fan of the 12 series. This whole the 11 series was an error is laughable though. Were the original subs with no crown guards an error too? It's not against the op but a general observation.

The 11 ceramic series gave you a ceramic bezel, chromalight, glidelock and a non rickety bracelet. I think it has its place in the horological history of Rolex.

[Ranger67]

Originally Posted by Etschell

Of course the changes are minimal other than the movement. That said i would like to see one in the flesh. Im a fan of the 11 series and im a fan of the 12 series. This whole the 11 series was an error is laughable though. Were the original subs with no crown guards an error too?

Yes the references to maxi case/blockhead and correcting the 12 year mistake on the 11 does make me chuckle, I had my 11 side by side with the 12 got to look closely to notice any difference, as you say both nice, I will get a 12 but also keep my 11.

[Etschell]

Originally Posted by Ranger67

Yes the references to maxi case/blockhead and correcting the 12 year mistake on the 11 does make me chuckle, I had my 11 side by side with the 12 got to look closely to notice any difference, as you say both nice, I will get a 12 but also keep my 11.

Yes the more refined narrative is laughable. It probably is what Rolex told the media covering the watch so they regurgitated it verbatim. This is not a patek phillipe now....

[Calatrava r]

Originally Posted by Stevec14

Sounds like a great morning. I agree re the subs. I haven’t seen them in person, but everything I have seen tells me these are really well done. For me, the WG sub needs a blue dial. Case shape aside, I’d go for the smurf (or just keep my BB58 blue).

I like the silver best of the OP’s. The splash of gold I think works very nicely. Did you see the red or green?

Did they give you any indication on how long you may wait for a Kermit?


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Right on about the new WG Sub, a blue dial would have been stunning.

[Stevec14]

Originally Posted by Calatrava r

Right on about the new WG Sub, a blue dial would have been stunning.

Don’t get me wrong - it’s still a terrific watch but it would have differentiated the Pm to steel but having coloured dials on Pm.

[harvey]

Originally Posted by Etschell

Yes the more refined narrative is laughable. It probably is what Rolex told the media covering the watch so they regurgitated it verbatim. This is not a patek phillipe now....

As you say you’re yet to see one.

The 12 series design and feel is reminiscent to me anyway of the five digit sub.

Again non of this thread is gospel, just my thoughts / feelings from a relative newbie, since I only got my first Rolex in 2005.

[Etschell]

Originally Posted by harvey

As you say you’re yet to see one.

The 12 series design and feel is reminiscent to me anyway of the five digit sub.

Again non of this thread is gospel, just my thoughts / feelings from a relative newbie, since I only got my first Rolex in 2005.

It's fair enough. Refined is subjective.

[Harry-57]

Thank you Harvey and Gary. I think they've done a nice job with the proportions but I've yet to meet them in person.

[brucethemanlee]

Originally Posted by Harry-57

Do you notice a visible difference in size between the 41mm Sub versus the 40?

new 41mm wears the same if not a not "smaller" than 40mm. the overall profile just seems "smaller"

trust me... you can't tell 0.3mm once its on wrist and you go about your day to day life

[brucethemanlee]

Originally Posted by harvey

Harry, the 41 felt a touch smaller on the wrist than the previous 40...due to the svelte case design. I can not see any one complaining about it...

Agreed - svelte is the word i would use

[LSUmd]

Originally Posted by harvey

Harry, the 41 felt a touch smaller on the wrist than the previous 40...due to the svelte case design. I can not see any one complaining about it...

I have 6.5 inch wrist and agree new 126610LV wears the same if not a touch smaller than my 114060