ROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEXROLEX

patrickhill · 29 April 2009, 10:33 AM

I'm obviously new here and I'm hoping to get advice on whether I have an authentic vintage Rolex Oyster Datejust. I hope to put up some pictures of the face and back and band, and find out if anyone here has an opinion as to authenticity. If it looks authentic on the outside, then I would take it in to a watch repair shop to have it further examined.

But I don't want to step on any toes or put my question in the wrong forum. Is this appropriate here?

Thank you in advance.

diablojota · 29 April 2009, 10:38 AM

This is the right forum. Welcome. Post pics when you get a chance. Perhaps the Watch OUt! thread is the best area to post when you do get some pics up.

That said, as always, the best way to tell is to open it up and look at the movement.

mcjp6 · 29 April 2009, 10:39 AM

Hi Patrick, Welcome to the forum, Come on, don't be shy!! lets have a look at some pics, I don't see any problems here

patrickhill · 29 April 2009, 10:56 AM

Allright, bear with me on this. I've never tried to take this close up of pictures, so I'm learning. But let me give you the background.......estate sale, the little old lady swore this watch was her husbands and acquired somewhere before 1959. The face says "Rolex" "Oyster Perpetual Datejust". "Superlative Chronometer Officially Certified". On the bottem at the 6 oclock position, "Swiss Made".

Allright, now I feel like an idiot, I'm not exactly sure how to get my large pictures to post here..........let me see if I can shrink them down.

mck22 · 29 April 2009, 10:59 AM

Let see some pics!!!!

patrickhill · 29 April 2009, 11:01 AM

Here's one.......

patrickhill · 29 April 2009, 11:02 AM

And another.......

diablojota · 29 April 2009, 11:06 AM

Unless it's a ladies model, my immediate reaction is that it is a fake. Reason: engraving on the caseback.

patrickhill · 29 April 2009, 11:07 AM

One more.....

Jason71 · 29 April 2009, 11:08 AM

That caseback has me a bit worried. Some of the vintage experts may be able to over-rule me, but I have never seen an authentic Rolex caseback look like that.

patrickhill · 29 April 2009, 11:10 AM

That's what has me worried also. I ran across an obscure reference saying pre-1945 models had engraved case backs. But that wasn't from any sort of "official" information site.

diablojota · 29 April 2009, 11:10 AM

Date magnification looks off in the picture of the dial. I'm saying it's a fake. Can you get a more direct shot of the dial?

diablojota · 29 April 2009, 11:11 AM

Read this link as well: http://www.qualitytyme.net/pages/rolex_or_replica.html.
It has information about case back engravings.

Bisquitlips · 29 April 2009, 11:12 AM

I also have never seen a genuine Rolex with a case back like the one in your photo. The front is also extremely rough and unfinished.

No. I don't believe it is genuine.

diablojota · 29 April 2009, 11:13 AM

Crown is also the wrong size.

diablojota · 29 April 2009, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patrickhill

That's what has me worried also. I ran across an obscure reference saying pre-1945 models had engraved case backs. But that wasn't from any sort of "official" information site.

That would also not be a watch from pre-1945. The cyclops did not get introduced until the 1950s.

patrickhill · 29 April 2009, 11:21 AM

A couple more of the face

diablojota · 29 April 2009, 11:25 AM

Yep. Without question it is a fake. Magnification is way off. Sorry, there isn't anything that's even close on that watch.

terhorstj · 29 April 2009, 11:26 AM

Looks fake to me, cheap and unfinished. Also, I'm pretty sure there's NO magnification goin' on with the cyclops.

mcjp6 · 29 April 2009, 11:34 AM

have you taken the band off?

between the lugs at 6 and 12 o'clock there should be a case number and serial number?

It is not looking good. Just noticed the O at the base of the crown on the dial is almost round, it should be more "squashed", the end pieces on the band from the back side don't look right either.

diablojota · 29 April 2009, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcjp6

have you taken the band off?

between the lugs at 6 and 12 o'clock there should be a case number and serial number?

It is not looking good. Just noticed the O at the base of the crown on the dial is almost round, it should be more "squashed", the end pieces on the band from the back side don't look right either.

There's no need for him to remove the band. The watch has too many 'tells' to it. Magnification, caseback engraving, crown is wrong, etc.

rkot07 · 29 April 2009, 11:43 AM

The cyclops tells it all... Its a fake.

patrickhill · 29 April 2009, 11:45 AM

At the 6 oclock position under the band is the number 630

diablojota · 29 April 2009, 11:48 AM

Patrick, it doesn't matter. The watch is a fake. It's not even worth pursuing it any further. You have a 100% genuine fake.

onkyo · 29 April 2009, 11:54 AM

Looks to be a bad fake.

Did you get it from a reliable source?

patrickhill · 29 April 2009, 11:56 AM

Estate auction. And I bought it assuming it was a fake, so I'm not too upset. I appreciate everyone giving me their input.

onkyo · 29 April 2009, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patrickhill

Estate auction. And I bought it assuming it was a fake, so I'm not too upset. I appreciate everyone giving me their input.

No problem.

Enjoy your stay here!

29 April 2009, 10:33 AM	#1
patrickhill "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Alabama Posts: 9	Authentic Vintage Rolex??? I'm obviously new here and I'm hoping to get advice on whether I have an authentic vintage Rolex Oyster Datejust. I hope to put up some pictures of the face and back and band, and find out if anyone here has an opinion as to authenticity. If it looks authentic on the outside, then I would take it in to a watch repair shop to have it further examined. But I don't want to step on any toes or put my question in the wrong forum. Is this appropriate here? Thank you in advance.

29 April 2009, 10:38 AM	#2
diablojota "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Real Name: Frank Location: Chattanooga, TN Watch: SS Submariner Date Posts: 4,042	This is the right forum. Welcome. Post pics when you get a chance. Perhaps the Watch OUt! thread is the best area to post when you do get some pics up. That said, as always, the best way to tell is to open it up and look at the movement. __________________ RTFT - Read The Friggin' Thread FcB

29 April 2009, 10:59 AM	#5
mck22 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Brent Location: St Louis Watch: Rolex Sub Date Posts: 1,516	Let see some pics!!!! __________________ 16610 Submariner GMT Master II 16710 1675

29 April 2009, 11:06 AM	#8
diablojota "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Real Name: Frank Location: Chattanooga, TN Watch: SS Submariner Date Posts: 4,042	Unless it's a ladies model, my immediate reaction is that it is a fake. Reason: engraving on the caseback. __________________ RTFT - Read The Friggin' Thread FcB

29 April 2009, 11:08 AM	#10
Jason71 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Jason Location: USA Watch: Rolex/Tudor Divers Posts: 7,973	That caseback has me a bit worried. Some of the vintage experts may be able to over-rule me, but I have never seen an authentic Rolex caseback look like that. __________________ Best Regards, Jason Just Say "NO" to Polishing Card-Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch Curmudgeons LIfe is too short to wear inexpensive watches PLEXI IS SEXY

29 April 2009, 10:39 AM	#3
mcjp6 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Michael Location: VK2 - AUS Watch: 5513s Posts: 7,380	Hi Patrick, Welcome to the forum, Come on, don't be shy!! lets have a look at some pics, I don't see any problems here

29 April 2009, 10:56 AM	#4
patrickhill "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Alabama Posts: 9	Allright, bear with me on this. I've never tried to take this close up of pictures, so I'm learning. But let me give you the background.......estate sale, the little old lady swore this watch was her husbands and acquired somewhere before 1959. The face says "Rolex" "Oyster Perpetual Datejust". "Superlative Chronometer Officially Certified". On the bottem at the 6 oclock position, "Swiss Made". Allright, now I feel like an idiot, I'm not exactly sure how to get my large pictures to post here..........let me see if I can shrink them down.

29 April 2009, 11:10 AM	#11
patrickhill "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Alabama Posts: 9	That's what has me worried also. I ran across an obscure reference saying pre-1945 models had engraved case backs. But that wasn't from any sort of "official" information site.

29 April 2009, 11:11 AM	#13
diablojota "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Real Name: Frank Location: Chattanooga, TN Watch: SS Submariner Date Posts: 4,042	Read this link as well: http://www.qualitytyme.net/pages/rolex_or_replica.html. It has information about case back engravings. __________________ RTFT - Read The Friggin' Thread FcB

29 April 2009, 11:12 AM	#14
Bisquitlips 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Richard Location: USA Watch: YM Deep Space Posts: 12,521	I also have never seen a genuine Rolex with a case back like the one in your photo. The front is also extremely rough and unfinished. No. I don't believe it is genuine. __________________ Rolex Yacht-Master 40mm (SS-YG / Deep Space MOP) 16623 Breitling Aerospace Titanium / 18K with UTC. Omega Speedmaster 3510.50 Oris TT1 Pro Diver Regulator 43MM

29 April 2009, 11:13 AM	#15
diablojota "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Real Name: Frank Location: Chattanooga, TN Watch: SS Submariner Date Posts: 4,042	Crown is also the wrong size. __________________ RTFT - Read The Friggin' Thread FcB

29 April 2009, 11:25 AM	#18
diablojota "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Real Name: Frank Location: Chattanooga, TN Watch: SS Submariner Date Posts: 4,042	Yep. Without question it is a fake. Magnification is way off. Sorry, there isn't anything that's even close on that watch. __________________ RTFT - Read The Friggin' Thread FcB

29 April 2009, 11:26 AM	#19
terhorstj "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: New Haven, CT Watch: Vintage 67 SS Date Posts: 19	Looks fake to me, cheap and unfinished. Also, I'm pretty sure there's NO magnification goin' on with the cyclops. __________________ Rolex SS Date -- Oakley Timebomb -- Movado SS Museum

29 April 2009, 11:34 AM	#20
mcjp6 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Michael Location: VK2 - AUS Watch: 5513s Posts: 7,380	have you taken the band off? between the lugs at 6 and 12 o'clock there should be a case number and serial number? It is not looking good. Just noticed the O at the base of the crown on the dial is almost round, it should be more "squashed", the end pieces on the band from the back side don't look right either.

29 April 2009, 11:43 AM	#22
rkot07 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Real Name: Rick Location: California Watch: GMT II, DD, DJ II Posts: 591	The cyclops tells it all... Its a fake.

29 April 2009, 11:45 AM	#23
patrickhill "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Alabama Posts: 9	At the 6 oclock position under the band is the number 630

29 April 2009, 11:48 AM	#24
diablojota "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Real Name: Frank Location: Chattanooga, TN Watch: SS Submariner Date Posts: 4,042	Patrick, it doesn't matter. The watch is a fake. It's not even worth pursuing it any further. You have a 100% genuine fake. __________________ RTFT - Read The Friggin' Thread FcB

29 April 2009, 11:54 AM	#25
onkyo Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Pav Location: Manhattan Posts: 11,495	Looks to be a bad fake. Did you get it from a reliable source?

29 April 2009, 11:56 AM	#26
patrickhill "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Alabama Posts: 9	Estate auction. And I bought it assuming it was a fake, so I'm not too upset. I appreciate everyone giving me their input.

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)