Buying a watch without a warranty card

[Wkpas]

Considering buying a 2009 Kermit. Watch looks ok from the images, includes a box and recent service card from an RSC but they have lost the original warranty card.

My question is not so much about pricing but more so about the missing card. Is this an issue for you other watch lovers and would it stop you from buying the watch.


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[VonSomething]

To each their own, I prefer only buying full sets. The watch is out of warranty by now anyways, with a recent service card it should be fine.

My only worry buying a watch that doesn't come as a complete set, would be that it was stolen/franken/whatever. Since it comes with a service card that shouldn't be a problem. Buy the seller though.

[Onikage]

If the service card serials check out and there is LV designation. The main worry with LVs is someone sticking a green insert, maxi dial and fat hand into a standard 16610.

[JSolution]

Recent RSC service is equal to me as having the original.

[fskywalker]

Originally Posted by JSolution

Recent RSC service is equal to me as having the original.

This!


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[padi56]

Originally Posted by Wkpas

Considering buying a 2009 Kermit. Watch looks ok from the images, includes a box and recent service card from an RSC but they have lost the original warranty card.

My question is not so much about pricing but more so about the missing card. Is this an issue for you other watch lovers and would it stop you from buying the watch.


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Well the original warranty card is now just a outdated bit of plastic and the only time I would be interested in a warranty card if it has any valid warranty left.Myself always buy condition of watch then the price, and whether any service history. You state it has RSC service history that would be far more important to me,than any outdated bit of plastic warranty card, it shows watch has been serviced in its life.

[Wkpas]

Originally Posted by padi56

Well the original warranty card is now just a outdated bit of plastic and the only time I would be interested in a warranty card if it has any valid warranty left.Myself always buy condition of watch then the price, and whether any service history. You state it has RSC service history that would be far more important to me,than any outdated bit of plastic warranty card, it shows watch has been serviced in its life.

You make a solid point on the service history issue. Is there any way to validate these service history’s to ensure they aren’t fake.


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[joli160]

Originally Posted by Wkpas

Considering buying a 2009 Kermit. Watch looks ok from the images, includes a box and recent service card from an RSC but they have lost the original warranty card.

My question is not so much about pricing but more so about the missing card. Is this an issue for you other watch lovers and would it stop you from buying the watch.

I know it’s an expired warranty only, but the service papers are not the same.
Especially for a model like the 16610LV I would want it all.
A no buy for me.

[Benzsiam]

Originally Posted by Wkpas

You make a solid point on the service history issue. Is there any way to validate these service history’s to ensure they aren’t fake.


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Even the original warranty card can be a fake one also, so you have to buy the seller or no transaction at all.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by Wkpas

You make a solid point on the service history issue. Is there any way to validate these service history’s to ensure they aren’t fake.


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Rolex would have all the data if and when any watch was serviced at any RSC world wide.

[samson66]

Originally Posted by padi56

Well the original warranty card is now just a outdated bit of plastic and the only time I would be interested in a warranty card if it has any valid warranty left.Myself always buy condition of watch then the price, and whether any service history. You state it has RSC service history that would be far more important to me,than any outdated bit of plastic warranty card, it shows watch has been serviced in its life.

This

If it's out of warranty and you have the service history I don't think it's a big deal. HOWEVER, if you go to sell the watch down the road you need to keep in mind that it will lower the price you are able to get for it.

[THC]

If everything checks out watch wise, buy it.. then post pics lol

[THC]

Originally Posted by Onikage

If the service card serials check out and there is LV designation. The main worry with LVs is someone sticking a green insert, maxi dial and fat hand into a standard 16610.

the below article is a great read, OP

https://www.watchclub.com/curated-by...ry-sub-decoded

[whited3]

I used to value box and papers highly. However I soon realized condition is far more important to me than the papers.

[gwozhog]

Buy the watch not the paper. Tell him his watch is trash now though so he will drop a couple thousand off his price ��

[padi56]

Originally Posted by THC

the below article is a great read, OP

https://www.watchclub.com/curated-by...ry-sub-decoded

Not 100% correct all 16610 LV are just normal 16610 models with cosmetic changes like bezel colour, maxi dial etc.All the T means on any Rolex watch is a non lug hole case at one time the only indication watch was a 16610LV was on the plastic barcode sticker.And there have been a few reports on forum of normal 16610 been changed into 16610LV.

[THC]

Thanks for clarifying that Peter.. that is exactly why I come here lol

[jamesbondOO7]

Originally Posted by JSolution

Recent RSC service is equal to me as having the original.

That

[GST15]

Originally Posted by padi56

well the original warranty card is now just a outdated bit of plastic and the only time i would be interested in a warranty card if it has any valid warranty left.myself always buy condition of watch then the price, and whether any service history. You state it has rsc service history that would be far more important to me,than any outdated bit of plastic warranty card, it shows watch has been serviced in its life.

+1

[Greg.A]

The price difference between a set with paper and a set without papers will grow exponentially as the years goes by.

[rockmastermike]

Originally Posted by JSolution

Recent RSC service is equal to me as having the original.

Correct answer
For me anyways

[Tools]

Originally Posted by Wkpas

Considering buying a 2009 Kermit. Watch looks ok from the images, includes a box and recent service card from an RSC but they have lost the original warranty card.

My question is not so much about pricing but more so about the missing card. Is this an issue for you other watch lovers and would it stop you from buying the watch.

No, it wouldn't. You don't wear the paperwork, nor is there a practical use for it in any situation you can imagine.

Over the past few years this seems to be more a point of bragging rights rather than actual practicality.

Can you imagine the filled rubbish bins because folks are unable to ever move their watches because an outdated card is not with it.

[Highlatitude]

The warranty card is “a nice to have” and I think it would only be essential if the watch is unworn and the buyer intends to keep it that way in a safe to sell later as a collector’s piece.

If he intends to wear it and it has RSC service history then it’s a “working” daily use watch.

I find people’s obsession with treating these watches like they are a rare museum piece that’s must be carefully curated ridiculous.

[Bruno007]

I actually purchased a 2004, 16610LV from the AD that originally sold it and then took it back in on trade for a Hulk by the original purchaser.

The original purchaser discarded the box and papers. As part of my purchase my AD agreed to source a box and send the watch in to RSC for service as the watch was well worn and missing the warranty card.

I am picking the watch up this weekend as a new old watch with box and service papers. I purchased the watch to wear and enjoy. As far as I am concerned I have no worries about authenticity or lack of original paperwork. I will have a serviceable watch that I can enjoy and don't have to worry about babying because I might be hurting its perceived investment value.

Bottom line: I would have no issues buying a used watch without the original card from a reputable source. Especially if it came with an RSC service card.

[FTX I]

Originally Posted by Wkpas

includes a box and recent service card from an RSC

Would be enough for me if the price is right.

[mrockperez]

The RSC is the most important part imo, while having the original card is nice its not worth anything now. The big thing is to vet the seller, never buy the watch...always the seller!

[stormshadow]

For me, it depends on the age of the watch. 5 digit and below, it's a nice to have, but 6 digit it's most likely a deal breaker. Partly because the warranty might still be in effect, in which case the card is needed.

[joli160]

Originally Posted by mrockperez

having the original card is nice its not worth anything now.

The market proves you are wrong in this assumption.
Original papers trump service papers

[DoctorA]

Originally Posted by joli160

I know it’s an expired warranty only, but the service papers are not the same.
Especially for a model like the 16610LV I would want it all.
A no buy for me.

This

[77T]

The only impact of a missing original warranty card might be a slight reduction in the addressable future resale market.

Not price, I mean the population of potential buyers would be smaller by the number of picky collectors who insist on every bit of plastic.

How might that affect you?

Well, for example, if that Sub you described was listed here on TRF, at a fair price consistent with the market at that time, the seller might have to wait out the “full set” aficionados.

Also some of the trusted sellers here wouldn’t touch it because they only deal in full sets.


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