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Fred_Tan · 1 May 2009, 07:12 PM

I've the chance to take some photos on a watch that no longer belongs to me:

The following will show how 312 is much thicker when compared to my Destro Fiddy 217 & Luminor Marina 56:

More details:
Movement: automatic mechanical, Panerai P. 9000 calibre, executed entirely by Panerai, 13 ¾ lignes, 7.9 mm thick, 28 jewels, Glucydur® balance, 28,800 alternations/hour. Power reserve 3 days, two barrels. Incabloc® anti-shock device. 195 components.
Functions: hours, minutes, small seconds, date.
Case: diameter 44 mm, AISI 316L brushed steel.
Bezel: polished steel.
Back: see-through sapphire crystal.
Device protecting the crown: (protected as a Trademark) brushed steel. 
Crystal: sapphire, made from corundum, 2.6mm thick. Anti-reflective coating. 
Water-resistance: 300 metres.  
Strap: PANERAI personalised black alligator strap and large-size brushed steel buckle

Personal comment:
This watch is nicer than what I can express thru the photos above. The photos really cannot do justice on the thick presence without the feel & look of too thick, dial cleanliness, beauty in simplicity, balance, good function, grace, reasonable pricing & gait of this perfect model.
This is indeed a milestone & watershed for Panerai.

This watch is thicker than Rolex Deep Sea Dweller, thicker than Fiddy and much thicker than any Luminor Marina but the balance of the 1950 bubble shape manage to carry the thickness well & thus give this bird a very big presence on the wrist without the inhibition & intimidation.

Now, due to such a thick case thanks to a very thick movement, the watch cannot use a tall crystal ala 233, 270 or Fiddy.

Bear in mind, the thickness of:
312: 18.15mm
Deep-Sea: 17.68mm
233: 17.75mm
0 / 5 / 111 / 112/ 176 / 177: 16.65mm
270: 18.75mm

I personally think if they use domed shape sapphire on this 312, it’ll be totally outta shape.
The slightly domed crystal as shown by some photos above compliment really well with the already thick case on this new legend in the making.

The last thing we want to see is 312 that looks like a Deep-Sea. Thankfully, it's not.

312 is poised, graceful, smart & REALLY a beauty.
It's a new legend from Panerai.

Take note that this 312 is still thinner than a 270.
So, for those who shots from the mouth telling everyone this 312 is too thick while u find 270 is not, u betta keep it to urself as I'm sure u've not seen both 312 or 270 or any 187, 202, 194, 243 and 285 in flesh yet.

I also think these range of P900x in the form of 312, 320 & 321 will cause Rolex to worry bout their Deep Sea, Sub-Date, Sub, Explorer 2 & GMT2 mart share erosion.
These new 2009 range of 312, 320 & 321 from OP will be Rolex killa.

This is my personal take. If u r not happi with this, I couldn't care. I've been hooked by Panerai for good.

Trurolexer · 1 May 2009, 07:56 PM

Great job!!! Huge congrats too!!!

BTW I heard some Guys don't really like the thick of the watch. Can't sit right in the wrist, is that true?

Do you think Panerai made this model because they want to competition with Deepsea?

Lol-x · 1 May 2009, 08:16 PM

Thanks so much for sharing those great photos and review.

I really like the look of this new model. It is 44mm isn't it? or is it 47mm?

Anyway, congrats.

londonbagpuss · 1 May 2009, 08:36 PM

Its a 44mm.
Thanks for posting these pics Fred Tan, I saw them on another site, they are stunning!! I cannot wait to get my hands on one!! I love the detailed shots and your review having handled so many watches was interesting, thanks again!

tech_controller · 1 May 2009, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trurolexer

Great job!!! Huge congrats too!!!

BTW I heard some Guys don't really like the thick of the watch. Can't sit right in the wrist, is that true?

Do you think Panerai made this model because they want to competition with Deepsea?

Good point to bring up...I had a PAM 252 that i just couldn't live with the thickness of the case...no matter how beautiful it was in person..it just wouldn't sit right on my wrist...

tuisquash · 1 May 2009, 08:49 PM

i'm sure that i want one .

hflee55 · 1 May 2009, 09:05 PM

such poisonous photos.....i can't stop

:d rul:

i fallen in

with it...

JF23 · 1 May 2009, 09:53 PM

Fred, thank you for taking the time to post your photos and review. These are the best photos I've seen to date, and really capture the beauty of the 312.

Fred_Tan · 1 May 2009, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trurolexer

Great job!!! Huge congrats too!!!

BTW I heard some Guys don't really like the thick of the watch. Can't sit right in the wrist, is that true?

Do you think Panerai made this model because they want to competition with Deepsea?

How 312 pull of this feat of tall presence without overwhelming the wrist is a true design genius.
The secret lies in the super-domed back case.
Here, the super-domed back-case fit snugly between ur wrist bones & under ur skin.

The bone on ur wrist touches the domed back-case perfectly & this prevent the whole watch from falling sideways due to the weight & this enhance the presence of this great watch without prevent without any discomfort.

This is a hallmark of great egronomics design.

Yes, all this while, all watchmakers are gunning for Rolex's crown...

Fred_Tan · 1 May 2009, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JF23

Fred, thank you for taking the time to post your photos and review. These are the best photos I've seen to date, and really capture the beauty of the 312.

Hope to see 320, 317, 28 by end of this year...

Fred_Tan · 1 May 2009, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hflee55

such poisonous photos.....i can't stop

:d rul:

i fallen in

with it...

It's easi to get hooked....be careful

Fred_Tan · 1 May 2009, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tech_controller

Good point to bring up...I had a PAM 252 that i just couldn't live with the thickness of the case...no matter how beautiful it was in person..it just wouldn't sit right on my wrist...

The cue & clue on how 312 pull off this feat lies in the super-domed bottom...

mfer · 1 May 2009, 11:59 PM

Thanks Fred. Very informative and wonderful pics.

Rolexism · 2 May 2009, 12:15 AM

Thanks for the photos Fred

Very nice and clear shots.

TswaneNguni · 2 May 2009, 01:40 AM

Brilliant macro pics !!! Exceptional !!

I still prefer the Luminor casing above the 1950s casing.Also all polished my preference,not brushed

Nica64 · 2 May 2009, 02:00 PM

Great pics and review Fred thanks for sharing.

We all know is very easy to get hook by Panerai

that's the reason why were here...... Panerai

Ted Su(TW) · 2 May 2009, 02:48 PM

Thanks Fred! I enjoy the pictures very much and get to know these new models much more.

Thank you for sharing.

Ted Su(TW)

Trurolexer · 2 May 2009, 07:23 PM

Thanks for the info, Fred.
I'm sure I will get one someday.

GBJIV · 3 May 2009, 02:58 AM

I am alwasys impressed to read again that the 233 is thicker than the Deep See...

Originally I thought the 312 would have 4,000 pieces - then I heard that it is going to be half that - 2,000 pieces. If that's true... The 312 might be another one of those difficult to get pieces...

TswaneNguni · 3 May 2009, 03:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GBJIV

I am alwasys impressed to read again that the 233 is thicker than the Deep See...

Originally I thought the 312 would have 4,000 pieces - then I heard that it is going to be half that - 2,000 pieces. If that's true... The 312 might be another one of those difficult to get pieces...

I am not interested in the 312,BUT @ 2000 for 2009,they will all be spoken for "by THE LIST !!"

Roughly,every Panerai AD should get 3-5 this year.The lists are full.So,if you are a'huntin the 312,good luck !!

mdtddd2007 · 3 May 2009, 01:00 PM

wow lot of details...nice pam.

HKperf · 4 May 2009, 12:01 PM

Fred! one of the nicest photos i've seen..thx
btw the thickness of the watches are not including the crystals right?
if so the 312 would have thicker case including the case back?
i know the 270 is slightly thicker than 312, is it because of the crystal being domed or case it self is thinker which makes 270 looks way taller with its domed crystal..?

housemad · 4 May 2009, 09:05 PM

Nice Review Fred...thanks!

housemad · 4 May 2009, 09:11 PM

My only comment is why you keep comparing Rolex with Panerai???
Are you paid by OP the come to a Rolex site and bashed the crown compagny all the time!!!
I personnaly love both as you can see...I love many other brand also...I love the horlogerie in general...my next watch will be a FP Journe!

Trurolexer · 4 May 2009, 10:01 PM

FP Journe...? Nice expensive watch.

Fred_Tan · 5 May 2009, 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by housemad

My only comment is why you keep comparing Rolex with Panerai???
Are you paid by OP the come to a Rolex site and bashed the crown compagny all the time!!!
I personnaly love both as you can see...I love many other brand also...I love the horlogerie in general...my next watch will be a FP Journe!

For me, all watches are just that...watches..

housemad · 5 May 2009, 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fred_Tan

For me, all watches are just that...watches..

You are contradicting yourself...if for you "watches are just watches"...you would not be here on this site waisting your time!

We are all watches lovers!!! Fortunately or unfortunately...

The reason why I am here my self is to read people's opinion and experiences and...especially knowledge about haute horlogerie!

I love your taste and your statements about Panerai...but I will never compare the two brands!

I am glad Panerai turn to manufacture...(before they use to do boxing only)!!!

But Panerai have also weak points!!! just like Rolex!!!

People go crazy right now on Panerai...It is just a trends!

There is a lot of fantastic watches out there beside Rolex and Panerai!

I hope you will experience them one day!

Matrim604 · 5 May 2009, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by housemad

We are all watches lovers!!! Fortunately or unfortunately...

The reason why I am here my self is to read people's opinion and experiences and...especially knowledge about haute horlogerie!

I love your taste and your statements about Panerai...but I will never compare the two brands!

I am glad Panerai turn to manufacture...(before they use to do boxing only)!!!

But Panerai have also weak points!!! just like Rolex!!!

People go crazy right now on Panerai...It is just a trends!

There is a lot of fantastic watches out there beside Rolex and Panerai!

I hope you will experience them one day!

Well said!

Fred_Tan · 5 May 2009, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by housemad

You are contradicting yourself...if for you "watches are just watches"...you would not be here on this site waisting your time!

We are all watches lovers!!! Fortunately or unfortunately...

The reason why I am here my self is to read people's opinion and experiences and...especially knowledge about haute horlogerie!

I love your taste and your statements about Panerai...but I will never compare the two brands!

I am glad Panerai turn to manufacture...(before they use to do boxing only)!!!

But Panerai have also weak points!!! just like Rolex!!!

People go crazy right now on Panerai...It is just a trends!

There is a lot of fantastic watches out there beside Rolex and Panerai!

I hope you will experience them one day!

Why are you so pissed off with my opinions.
It's just my freaking believe.
If you think Panerai is not a better brand than Rolex, so be it.
If I think Rolex is a stupid brand, then that's is my personal conviction & believe.
If you don't like what I think, go play with yourself....

housemad · 5 May 2009, 11:45 AM

Well... I dont know your age...

1. I am not pissed at all
2. I respect your believed, but please do respect ours!!!
3. i just told you, I will never compared the 2 brands...nobody is better!
4.If you think Rolex is a stupid brand...so what the f... you are doing here???
5.Grow up!

1 May 2009, 07:12 PM	#1
Fred_Tan Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Fred Tan Location: Singapore Watch: Bumble Bee Posts: 668	Pam312k I've the chance to take some photos on a watch that no longer belongs to me: The following will show how 312 is much thicker when compared to my Destro Fiddy 217 & Luminor Marina 56: More details: Movement: automatic mechanical, Panerai P. 9000 calibre, executed entirely by Panerai, 13 ¾ lignes, 7.9 mm thick, 28 jewels, Glucydur® balance, 28,800 alternations/hour. Power reserve 3 days, two barrels. Incabloc® anti-shock device. 195 components. Functions: hours, minutes, small seconds, date. Case: diameter 44 mm, AISI 316L brushed steel. Bezel: polished steel. Back: see-through sapphire crystal. Device protecting the crown: (protected as a Trademark) brushed steel.  Crystal: sapphire, made from corundum, 2.6mm thick. Anti-reflective coating.  Water-resistance: 300 metres.   Strap: PANERAI personalised black alligator strap and large-size brushed steel buckle Personal comment: This watch is nicer than what I can express thru the photos above. The photos really cannot do justice on the thick presence without the feel & look of too thick, dial cleanliness, beauty in simplicity, balance, good function, grace, reasonable pricing & gait of this perfect model. This is indeed a milestone & watershed for Panerai. This watch is thicker than Rolex Deep Sea Dweller, thicker than Fiddy and much thicker than any Luminor Marina but the balance of the 1950 bubble shape manage to carry the thickness well & thus give this bird a very big presence on the wrist without the inhibition & intimidation. Now, due to such a thick case thanks to a very thick movement, the watch cannot use a tall crystal ala 233, 270 or Fiddy. Bear in mind, the thickness of: 312: 18.15mm Deep-Sea: 17.68mm 233: 17.75mm 0 / 5 / 111 / 112/ 176 / 177: 16.65mm 270: 18.75mm I personally think if they use domed shape sapphire on this 312, it’ll be totally outta shape. The slightly domed crystal as shown by some photos above compliment really well with the already thick case on this new legend in the making. The last thing we want to see is 312 that looks like a Deep-Sea. Thankfully, it's not. 312 is poised, graceful, smart & REALLY a beauty. It's a new legend from Panerai. Take note that this 312 is still thinner than a 270. So, for those who shots from the mouth telling everyone this 312 is too thick while u find 270 is not, u betta keep it to urself as I'm sure u've not seen both 312 or 270 or any 187, 202, 194, 243 and 285 in flesh yet. I also think these range of P900x in the form of 312, 320 & 321 will cause Rolex to worry bout their Deep Sea, Sub-Date, Sub, Explorer 2 & GMT2 mart share erosion. These new 2009 range of 312, 320 & 321 from OP will be Rolex killa. This is my personal take. If u r not happi with this, I couldn't care. I've been hooked by Panerai for good.

1 May 2009, 08:16 PM	#3
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,657	Thanks so much for sharing those great photos and review. I really like the look of this new model. It is 44mm isn't it? or is it 47mm? Anyway, congrats. __________________ *Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.* ~Abraham Lincoln Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride. ~John F. Kennedy ROLEXploitation - yeah I'm a victim

1 May 2009, 08:49 PM	#6
tuisquash "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: tui Location: são paulo-brasil Watch: panerai rolex Posts: 772	i'm sure that i want one . __________________ panerai and rolex

1 May 2009, 11:59 PM	#13
mfer "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Real Name: Mik Location: USA Posts: 13,724	Thanks Fred. Very informative and wonderful pics. __________________ member#3242

2 May 2009, 02:00 PM	#16
Nica64 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: USA Posts: 2,596	Great pics and review Fred thanks for sharing. We all know is very easy to get hook by Panerai that's the reason why were here...... Panerai __________________ ______________________________ You can't turn back the clock. But you can wind it up again.

1 May 2009, 07:56 PM	#2
Trurolexer Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Watch: 5513MaxiI+PreComex Posts: 18,421	Great job!!! Huge congrats too!!! BTW I heard some Guys don't really like the thick of the watch. Can't sit right in the wrist, is that true? Do you think Panerai made this model because they want to competition with Deepsea?

1 May 2009, 08:36 PM	#4
londonbagpuss Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: London Posts: 248	Its a 44mm. Thanks for posting these pics Fred Tan, I saw them on another site, they are stunning!! I cannot wait to get my hands on one!! I love the detailed shots and your review having handled so many watches was interesting, thanks again!

1 May 2009, 09:05 PM	#7
hflee55 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Real Name: Andy Location: Kuala Lumpur, MY Watch: Me Watching You!! Posts: 3,260	such poisonous photos.....i can't stop :d rul: i fallen in with it...

1 May 2009, 09:53 PM	#8
JF23 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: S Florida Posts: 1,898	Fred, thank you for taking the time to post your photos and review. These are the best photos I've seen to date, and really capture the beauty of the 312.

2 May 2009, 12:15 AM	#14
Rolexism "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: Kong Location: CT Posts: 111	Thanks for the photos Fred Very nice and clear shots.

2 May 2009, 01:40 AM	#15
TswaneNguni "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: . Watch: Daytonas/Subs/GMTs Posts: 12,609	Brilliant macro pics !!! Exceptional !! I still prefer the Luminor casing above the 1950s casing.Also all polished my preference,not brushed

2 May 2009, 02:48 PM	#17
Ted Su(TW) Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Taiwan Posts: 77	Thanks Fred! I enjoy the pictures very much and get to know these new models much more. Thank you for sharing. Ted Su(TW)

2 May 2009, 07:23 PM	#18
Trurolexer Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Watch: 5513MaxiI+PreComex Posts: 18,421	Thanks for the info, Fred. I'm sure I will get one someday.

3 May 2009, 02:58 AM	#19
GBJIV "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Jackson Location: So. California Posts: 2,893	I am alwasys impressed to read again that the 233 is thicker than the Deep See... Originally I thought the 312 would have 4,000 pieces - then I heard that it is going to be half that - 2,000 pieces. If that's true... The 312 might be another one of those difficult to get pieces... __________________ Jackson

3 May 2009, 01:00 PM	#21
mdtddd2007 2025 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: U.S Watch: Rolex, PP, AP, GS Posts: 5,795	wow lot of details...nice pam.

4 May 2009, 12:01 PM	#22
HKperf "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Watch: 16710 M Coke Posts: 367	Fred! one of the nicest photos i've seen..thx btw the thickness of the watches are not including the crystals right? if so the 312 would have thicker case including the case back? i know the 270 is slightly thicker than 312, is it because of the crystal being domed or case it self is thinker which makes 270 looks way taller with its domed crystal..?

4 May 2009, 09:05 PM	#23
housemad Banned Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: David Location: Montreal Watch: Graham chr.GMT O/S Posts: 373	Nice Review Fred...thanks!

4 May 2009, 09:11 PM	#24
housemad Banned Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: David Location: Montreal Watch: Graham chr.GMT O/S Posts: 373	My only comment is why you keep comparing Rolex with Panerai??? Are you paid by OP the come to a Rolex site and bashed the crown compagny all the time!!! I personnaly love both as you can see...I love many other brand also...I love the horlogerie in general...my next watch will be a FP Journe!

4 May 2009, 10:01 PM	#25
Trurolexer Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Watch: 5513MaxiI+PreComex Posts: 18,421	FP Journe...? Nice expensive watch.

5 May 2009, 11:45 AM	#30
housemad Banned Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: David Location: Montreal Watch: Graham chr.GMT O/S Posts: 373	Well... I dont know your age... 1. I am not pissed at all 2. I respect your believed, but please do respect ours!!! 3. i just told you, I will never compared the 2 brands...nobody is better! 4.If you think Rolex is a stupid brand...so what the f... you are doing here??? 5.Grow up!

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