Would you buy a 16710 without paper?

[RaZCaL]

I’m loving the 16710 but have a dilemma. Would you buy one in excellent condition but no history and without paper for about $1600 less than one with box and paper? Both are from reputable sellers.

I’ve been researching and found others would send it off to RSC and change the inserts during the process.

What are your thoughts?

[Utomow]

I would not bother with the paper as long as I will use it for myself in long period of time AND I manage to get confirmation on the authenticity of the piece. You can bring it to RSC for a check but not sure if they are willing to issue some kind of authenticity check certificate.

[Bladeshot]

If it’s for everyday wear, I’d buy without papers. You don’t wear the paper and box.

I am a GMT nut and I’ve owned many. As a collector, I like to have the full set. Box, papers, books. But unless you really care about that, save the $$ and get the watch only.

Depends on how OCD you are, as a collector.

The papers tell you what the watch is. Papers are the only way to know what insert was original to the watch.
Ex. 16710B

B is Pepsi.
A is coke.
N (or LN) is black bezel insert.

If you can wear the watch and enjoy it without having this nagging question as to “what insert did it come with”?, then you should just get a watch only.

And get a bunch of inserts and read up on changing inserts. It’s easy and awesome to do.

[HiBoost]

RSC won't change the bezel insert color upon request, will they? And conversely, would they force you to swap back to the original color that the serial indicates?

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[blue lion]

Papers aren't an issue for me

[Bladeshot]

Originally Posted by HiBoost

RSC won't change the bezel insert color upon request, will they? And conversely, would they force you to swap back to the original color that the serial indicates?

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Lots of sources to buy genuine aluminum inserts. So it’s not necessary to have RSC or an AD swap inserts. I buy them all the time. Have a drawer full. Easy to change.

[jcarm981]

Originally Posted by blue lion

Papers aren't an issue for me

Same here. Nice to have but not a deal breaker.

[Jackie Daytona]

16710 is past warranty period for a few years anyways. If you like it and plan on keeping it of course you should get it.

[Thrasher36]

I would buy the one in the best condition regardless of papers, box or price.

[Boaters]

Hey don't get me wrong papers are nice but I don't wear them. You can get the watch serviced now you have a card and a watch that should last you a long time. As far as inserts I have them all for my 16710 D serial that by the way, I purchased from a "Trusted Seller" without papers. I would rather purchase a piece as a full set with papers but is it a deal-breaker not with this piece.

[ltmgeller]

Depends on what you want. If you want the full set, get it. If its just to get the watch to wear, the watch is all you need. You can always get it serviced at RSC
and get service papers.

[Stan Cooper]

I bought my 1675 GMT without box or papers and immediately shipped it off to Rolex in NYC (RUSA) for service. It came back with my name on a repair warranty card. That authenticates the watch as genuine and your name becomes part of Rolex's records for that serial number

[Stan Cooper]

Wow! Three of us saying the same thing within a minute.

[Boaters]

Originally Posted by Stan Cooper

Wow! Three of us saying the same thing within a minute.

Fine minds think alike .... lol

[Rado63]

If the watch is correct and condition is good then I would buy it. The watch can be serviced and most likely you could get the insert changed but call RSC first to ask if they will change the insert. You can also collect a box from some seller on line, and you could collect a hang tag. Finding the owners manual might be harder. But you can put all of that together with patience.

[sunnygps]

Get it without the papers if you don’t care about the resale value. Send it off to RSC for full service and they will replace the insert with whichever color combo you want. However, they will keep the insert you shipped the watch with.

[kieselguhr]

I wouldn’t pay $1600 for a piece of paper.

[HiBoost]

Originally Posted by Bladeshot

Lots of sources to buy genuine aluminum inserts. So it’s not necessary to have RSC or an AD swap inserts. I buy them all the time. Have a drawer full. Easy to change.

I realize you can get inserts elsewhere, my question was from a different angle. What if I buy a 16710 that has a pepsi insert. But no papers to confirm that was the original configuration. Let's just say it was originally an all black bezel but I don't know this. Is there any chance that when I send this in to RSC they tell me they are "required" to replace the bezel and make it all black again?

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[jdw003]

Originally Posted by HiBoost

I realize you can get inserts elsewhere, my question was from a different angle. What if I buy a 16710 that has a pepsi insert. But no papers to confirm that was the original configuration. Let's just say it was originally an all black bezel but I don't know this. Is there any chance that when I send this in to RSC they tell me they are "required" to replace the bezel and make it all black again?

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RSC will not replace a bezel or dial that is genuine without just cause (damage or wear).


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[Onikage]

Originally Posted by HiBoost

I realize you can get inserts elsewhere, my question was from a different angle. What if I buy a 16710 that has a pepsi insert. But no papers to confirm that was the original configuration. Let's just say it was originally an all black bezel but I don't know this. Is there any chance that when I send this in to RSC they tell me they are "required" to replace the bezel and make it all black again?

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Possibly. It is their policy to put things back as new. To be safe I'd get a cheapo aftermarket insert. A really bad one just to ensure they change it.

[Dr.Smellody]

Sure

[Seddyspaghetti]

If it is -$1600 of a supposed black 5 digit w no papers then sure.

But i wouldnt pay 5 digit pepsi or coke prices without proof of papers

[Bladeshot]

Originally Posted by HiBoost

I realize you can get inserts elsewhere, my question was from a different angle. What if I buy a 16710 that has a pepsi insert. But no papers to confirm that was the original configuration. Let's just say it was originally an all black bezel but I don't know this. Is there any chance that when I send this in to RSC they tell me they are "required" to replace the bezel and make it all black again?

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My apologies. I get it now. I am not aware of anyone having RSC tell them “what insert is correct”. They don’t have a record of the correct, original insert type. Hard to believe, but that’s what I’ve been reading as people share their experience, across many years.

My understanding is that you can send in the watch and ask to change to a new color insert - whatever insert you like - and they will replace your insert and keep the insert you sent in, on your watch.

[PBJ1925]

If its a workhorse, and a 'lifetime keeper', I'd be fine without the box/papers.

[tahitianmoon]

Originally Posted by Thrasher36

I would buy the one in the best condition regardless of papers, box or price.

Same here.

[springer]

Originally Posted by Bladeshot

My apologies. I get it now. I am not aware of anyone having RSC tell them “what insert is correct”. They don’t have a record of the correct, original insert type. Hard to believe, but that’s what I’ve been reading as people share their experience, across many years.

My understanding is that you can send in the watch and ask to change to a new color insert - whatever insert you like - and they will replace your insert and keep the insert you sent in, on your watch.

Hello Grant.

Unless I read your last post incorrectly, warranty papers didn't indicate the bezel color on foreign/domestic GMTs until around 1998. You can also find the bezel color on some of the hang tags too.

[996marty]

I don’t think it’s a deal breaker if you like it buy it I say,I bought mine without papers it doesn’t bother me I love the watch.

[TswaneNguni]

Box and papers always preferred.
Where I live ,no box and papers means stolen,until proven otherwise.

[Jimmy74]

Originally Posted by Boaters

Hey don't get me wrong papers are nice but I don't wear them. You can get the watch serviced now you have a card and a watch that should last you a long time. As far as inserts I have them all for my 16710 D serial that by the way, I purchased from a "Trusted Seller" without papers. I would rather purchase a piece as a full set with papers but is it a deal-breaker not with this piece.

Hey that’s a beautiful bracelet here! I bet the watch did not come on this one. Did you swap it with one of your other pieces or did you buy it as a standalone? I would love a solid bracelet (and a glidelock) on my 2007 16710 pepsi (no holes are the best)

[RickInCA]

If I want to sell it, down the road, then papers are always a plus. However, if it's something I am going to keep, it's not a dealbreaker.