Don't understand the popularity of the Zenith SS Daytona

[allanofcalifornia]

I don't understand the popularity of the Zenith SS Daytona. The gold (WG/YG) and TT versions of the Zenith Daytona are cheaper than the newer models BUT the SS version of the Zenith Daytona is more expensive than the newer models and more expensive than a brand new one from an AD.

Can someone explain why this is so? I can understand if the Zenith version of the Daytona is more collectible but if this was the case, then I would expect all versions of the Zenith Daytona going up in price and not just the SS version. Does it all boil down to the fact that the SS Daytona is in demand while the other versions are not that popular?


Thanks
Allan

[Tools]

It's popular because it's discontinued.........



and those who have/want one think that theirs will be the next Newman and worth 80,000 by Christmas.

[therolexguy]

Stainless is always more collectable and since the Zenith is pre-2000, people think it's more collectable. I like the new in-house movement. It's made by Rolex, it has a longer power reserve and is more efficient with it's rotor. It's just plain bad A**.

[Mrdi]

72 hour reserve
Yahoo
Take it off on Friday and it is still running strong Monday morning.\
Perfect for my life style.

[Gaijin]

And I am guessing that the SS versions of the Zenith daytona were made is lesser numbers than the TT and YG versions. Thus more rare and expensive.

[allanofcalifornia]

Originally Posted by Tools

It's popular because it's discontinued.........

If that was the case, then the zenith version of the gold and TT would cost more since the zenith model for all versions are discontinued.


Allan

[allanofcalifornia]

Originally Posted by KansaiVet

And I am guessing that the SS versions of the Zenith daytona were made is lesser numbers than the TT and YG versions. Thus more rare and expensive.

I would have thought that they sold many more SS zenith daytona watches.


Allan

[Chozn1]

Daytonas= rare.
Daytonas with any type of limited production run= pretty rare, very expensive.
It's not my cup of tea, but they just get a lot of attention. I had one and really don't get what all the fuss is about, but whatever floats your boat.

[Art 1]

The answer to your last question is yes.

[TheVTCGuy]

I actually like the dial of the Zenith better, the sweep -second hand at the 9:00 position instead of the 6:00. I would rather have mine, with the newer movement, but the "Z" is a mighty good looking watch!

[Gaijin]

Originally Posted by allanofcalifornia

I would have thought that they sold many more SS zenith daytona watches.


Allan

You may be right. I was just basing this on what Rolex is doing with current SS Daytonas. Making fewer of them.

Anybody know if the SS Zenith Daytonas were made in lower numbers than the TT and YG?

[springer]

Originally Posted by allanofcalifornia

I don't understand the popularity of the Zenith SS Daytona. The gold (WG/YG) and TT versions of the Zenith Daytona are cheaper than the newer models BUT the SS version of the Zenith Daytona is more expensive than the newer models and more expensive than a brand new one from an AD.

Can someone explain why this is so? I can understand if the Zenith version of the Daytona is more collectible but if this was the case, then I would expect all versions of the Zenith Daytona going up in price and not just the SS version. Does it all boil down to the fact that the SS Daytona is in demand while the other versions are not that popular?


Thanks
Allan

It's history, vintage now, and it had a great movement. Here's a shot of my 1992 Zenith Daytona sandwiched between my 1982 and 1987 Tudor chronos.

[kzm40]

Originally Posted by KansaiVet

And I am guessing that the SS versions of the Zenith daytona were made is lesser numbers than the TT and YG versions. Thus more rare and expensive.

They were selling at the same premium as the newer model for a while, but as they're not being made anymore, no increase in supply.. My Red sub was the same price as a new 16610 when i bought it..Its worth a little more now.

[Singslinger]

For almost all brands and models, the S/S version is always considered much more collectible than the TT or full-gold models. I'm not 100% sure why this is, but I think it could be because gold watches are seen as being too "bling'' and thus somehow lacking in "street cred''. Whatever the case, if you have a desirable S/S model which is then discontinued, it's very likely that the collectibility value rises sharply and hence the price.

My first experience of this was with the Lange 1, the flagship model made by the German brand Lange & Sohne. The company used to make it in S/S as well as all the precious metals, but once it discontinued the S/S version, secondhand prices for this model shot through the roof. I believe a used S/S Lange 1 now costs perhaps 50% more than a brand-new, white gold equivalent.

Hope this answers your question.

[Atomant]

Yeah came across an 'F' S/S Zenith Daytona that's selling for S$18,500 and it looks pretty beat up.

[Gaijin]

Originally Posted by Atomant

Yeah came across an 'F' S/S Zenith Daytona that's selling for S$18,500 and it looks pretty beat up.

That is way too steep. Plus an F is not a Zenith.

[handdoc]

its all about want and collectability

[chu88y]

believe it or not more TT Daytona's are made than SS making the SS a rarer beast to find

[Art 1]

Originally Posted by Atomant

Yeah came across an 'F' S/S Zenith Daytona that's selling for S$18,500 and it looks pretty beat up.

No such animal.

[ippon20]

Yes, there were more TT and YG made than the SS I believe. It was very difficult to find SS back then, it was a true grail. That said, I prefer my Zenith over newer models....TT is gonna make a comeback, mark my words!

[ROLEX MAN]

had 2 and sold both!

[mortal]

Originally Posted by Singslinger

the S/S version is always considered much more collectible than the TT or full-gold models. I'm not 100% sure why this is, but I think it could be because gold watches are seen as being too "bling'' and thus somehow lacking in "street cred''. Whatever the case, if you have a desirable S/S model which is then discontinued, it's very likely that the collectibility value rises sharply and hence the price.

That's really interesting. As I've been looking into Rolexes these last couple months, I've gone out of my way to look at gold bracelets only. And with each sales rep I used the same line: "If it's Rolex, it's got to be gold, right" to which they inevitably smile and agree. For my first one, I did the right thing (for me), but you've given me a great new perspective for Rolex #2.

[springer]

Originally Posted by springer

It's history, vintage now, and it had a great movement. Here's a shot of my 1992 Zenith Daytona sandwiched between my 1982 and 1987 Tudor chronos.

So as not to confuse anyone, my Tiger Tudor is a 1997 not 1987. Got carried away on my typing...sorry.

[Otto]

Originally Posted by Singslinger

For almost all brands and models, the S/S version is always considered much more collectible than the TT or full-gold models. I'm not 100% sure why this is, but I think it could be because gold watches are seen as being too "bling'' and thus somehow lacking in "street cred''. Whatever the case, if you have a desirable S/S model which is then discontinued, it's very likely that the collectibility value rises sharply and hence the price.

My first experience of this was with the Lange 1, the flagship model made by the German brand Lange & Sohne. The company used to make it in S/S as well as all the precious metals, but once it discontinued the S/S version, secondhand prices for this model shot through the roof. I believe a used S/S Lange 1 now costs perhaps 50% more than a brand-new, white gold equivalent.

Hope this answers your question.

It may be the gold when it comes to the "Zenith" Daytona (no comment on the "bling" comment), but I think for a different reason than "street cred." I suspect Rolex makes a larger profit on Daytona watches with gold content, so they make more of them; so there are fewer SS Daytonas made and sold; and since they are no longer making the "Zentih" Daytona, prices rise. I'm guessing, because maybe the sales volume for SS watches levels the playing field when it comes to gold content watches that are priced higher and maybe sell less frequently. Who knows? Rolex knows.

As for the "Zenith" SS Daytona, the white dial version is still IMO one of the best if not the best looking Daytonas around and it is slowly disappearing from the affordable (at least for me) market, maybe because it has been discontinued and there aren't that many around compared to other watches of the same period.

[pedsdoc3]

I never really get the whole ss versus tt thing. No matter what, a solid gold watch unless rare like the zenith will generally be worth more that a ss watch. i find that this forum is very heavy of rolex prof series daytona, gmt, dssd, sub. which doesnt really necessarily represent the majority of rolex wearers. Most rolexes sold are not tool watches. I travel alot as do most of you guys and i think that most people that own watches like ours have their prefs but really in REAL life most could never own a rolex and then when they finally can, they will ALWAYS get the ss because they would rather have any rolex than wait another couple of years to buy a platinum or solid gold one. so as a consequence more people by default will have ss and will think ss is better because thats what they can afford and they like what they can afford. Sooooooooooooo with that said if you could get a brushed plat sub date with no polished links for the same price as a ss i am sure every "pro ss" person would. I OWN BOTH AND I LOVE THIS FORUM!!! lol JUST MY 2CENTS

[PalmSpringsCaVault]

allen are you still window shopping, I hope your not driving my contact crazy with picture requests because you havent done your homework!

[allanofcalifornia]

Originally Posted by PalmSpringsCaVault

allen are you still window shopping, I hope your not driving my contact crazy with picture requests because you havent done your homework!

Unfortunately the 2 zenith watches your contact had did not come with papers.


Allan

[Atomant]

Originally Posted by KansaiVet

That is way too steep. Plus an F is not a Zenith.

Originally Posted by Art 1

No such animal.

Noted.

[Atomant]

Originally Posted by pedsdoc3

I never really get the whole ss versus tt thing. No matter what, a solid gold watch unless rare like the zenith will generally be worth more that a ss watch. i find that this forum is very heavy of rolex prof series daytona, gmt, dssd, sub. which doesnt really necessarily represent the majority of rolex wearers. Most rolexes sold are not tool watches. I travel alot as do most of you guys and i think that most people that own watches like ours have their prefs but really in REAL life most could never own a rolex and then when they finally can, they will ALWAYS get the ss because they would rather have any rolex than wait another couple of years to buy a platinum or solid gold one. so as a consequence more people by default will have ss and will think ss is better because thats what they can afford and they like what they can afford. Sooooooooooooo with that said if you could get a brushed plat sub date with no polished links for the same price as a ss i am sure every "pro ss" person would. I OWN BOTH AND I LOVE THIS FORUM!!! lol JUST MY 2CENTS

Totally agree.

[springer]

Originally Posted by pedsdoc3

I never really get the whole ss versus tt thing. No matter what, a solid gold watch unless rare like the zenith will generally be worth more that a ss watch. i find that this forum is very heavy of rolex prof series daytona, gmt, dssd, sub. which doesnt really necessarily represent the majority of rolex wearers. Most rolexes sold are not tool watches. I travel alot as do most of you guys and i think that most people that own watches like ours have their prefs but really in REAL life most could never own a rolex and then when they finally can, they will ALWAYS get the ss because they would rather have any rolex than wait another couple of years to buy a platinum or solid gold one. so as a consequence more people by default will have ss and will think ss is better because thats what they can afford and they like what they can afford. Sooooooooooooo with that said if you could get a brushed plat sub date with no polished links for the same price as a ss i am sure every "pro ss" person would. I OWN BOTH AND I LOVE THIS FORUM!!! lol JUST MY 2CENTS

Interesting New Orleans. I think you point has some merit.