Does the Submariner 14060M Long F Dial Attract a Premium?

[Yellowduke]

When I took the plunge and bought my 14060M Submariner a few years ago I deliberately sought out a four liner with the long F as it was being said at the time it was an unusual feature. Was the whole long F thing a bit of a story or has time proved it to be true? Hard to tell from watch listings whether there is any kind of premium attached to the feature.

[shaunylw]

this is the first I’m hearing of a Long F. Long E is a thing, but 14060 with a long F is not something I’ve ever heard about. I certainly wouldn’t pay anything additional for it.


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[huba01]

Aggree, never heard of it and would never pay premium for that

[RFC]

Read about a long f in an 14060 as being distinctive of a font in the dials. It was an account by a seller trying to promote an NOS piece. Can’t recall where I read this but it was after I bought my 14060M a few years ago. As far as this 5 series is concerned, the M’s, the 2 liners, and the tritium 14060’s are most desireable but nothing terribly special to collectors.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by Yellowduke

When I took the plunge and bought my 14060M Submariner a few years ago I deliberately sought out a four liner with the long F as it was being said at the time it was an unusual feature. Was the whole long F thing a bit of a story or has time proved it to be true? Hard to tell from watch listings whether there is any kind of premium attached to the feature.

In the real world dials are made in three different factories now all owned by Rolex.So there has always have been and always will be tiny variations in most all dials over production years.And today many sellers often quote rare dial etc to extract more money from buyers.

[pursang_]

No premium as of now whatsoever.

Maybe in 20 years when the masses realize that the neovintage icons were just a small blip on the Rolex radar.

[Tools]

Originally Posted by Yellowduke

When I took the plunge and bought my 14060M Submariner a few years ago I deliberately sought out a four liner with the long F as it was being said at the time it was an unusual feature. Was the whole long F thing a bit of a story or has time proved it to be true? Hard to tell from watch listings whether there is any kind of premium attached to the feature.

No, there are a number of variations in dial cosmetics and very few of them are considered "premium" features.

[karleone]

No one cares. But dealers always find details to sell at a even higher premium like the APH dials on 116520 which is an error and they try to sell this for something exclusive and more expensive.

[G3Z]

Long ‘F’ here apparently..

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=862738

[jb335]

Never heard of it


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[mquarter]

It's a real stretch, to say the least

[joli160]

No, zero added value

[1665fan]

No

[Ketler]

No...

[faimag]

which F is supposed to be long? the depth or the 'officially certified' ?

[Yellowduke]

Originally Posted by faimag

which F is supposed to be long? the depth or the 'officially certified' ?

The f in feet has a longer tail, hence long f.

I have only noted this on some 2008 and 2009 watches. Typically the short f is what is seen on the four liner dials. Little idiosyncrasies like this I find quite interesting. The earlier comment about dials coming from three different factories is probably one of the reasons for such little differences.

[Tools]

Originally Posted by Yellowduke

The f in feet has a longer tail, hence long f.

I have only noted this on some 2008 and 2009 watches. Typically the short f is what is seen on the four liner dials. Little idiosyncrasies like this I find quite interesting. The earlier comment about dials coming from three different factories is probably one of the reasons for such little differences.

They are interesting and sellers try to find anything they can to add to their profit.

Minor font variances are throughout the line, what with different dial makers and a continuous changeout of the tamps used to ink them.

Not every tiny change is cause to declare "rarity" and value, simply some small bragging rights.

[Sandpit]

I’d say the four liner and engraved rehaut parts are more important as they were only made for a very short period.

[csaltphoto]

Originally Posted by Sandpit

I’d say the four liner and engraved rehaut parts are more important as they were only made for a very short period.

Yeah. I've been tracking prices since I got mine a few years ago and about all that stands out to me is:

- 4 liners tend to go for more than 2 liners
- Random serial 4 liners seem to have a slight premium due to being the last ones made
- B+P adds significantly to the price
- Condition adds to the price
- NOS/still stickered and unworn adds steeply to the price