Does the GMT Master IIC have the same case as the 11 Series Subs

[GRabens]

I think they do. 40 mm case with the fat Lugs, but I have not seen this discussed conclusively. If they do, I find it interesting how polarizing the 11 and 12 series Subs are, but I don't see the same negative comments regarding the GMTs. Thanks for the feedback and comments!

[omar-rye]

The lugs on the GMT 12 series has skinnier lugs than the 11 series supercase

[JSolution]

Originally Posted by omar-rye

The lugs on the GMT 12 series has skinnier lugs than the 11 series supercase

Really?? That’s news to me I have a 116719 and a 126719 never noticed a difference.

[kieselguhr]

Originally Posted by JSolution

Really?? That’s news to me I have a 116719 and a 126719 never noticed a difference.

Time to bust out the calipers and put this myth to the test. I think it’s true.

[WatchGuy1966]

I think the 11 series are too chunky.

I am considering getting rid of the 116710LN and getting a 16710 or 126710BLRO.

[joli160]

I can’t see a difference with the naked eye .

[noshame]

I have the fatboy 116610LN and a 126710. I don't own a pair of calipers but to me eye, when holding them side by side, I can see a difference in that the lugs on my GMT are not as wide. I don't have to squint, I think it's noticeable, if you're looking for it. If you're not a WIS, you would think the two cases are identical.

On the wrist, the GMT also wears ever so slightly smaller, due to it being slightly thinner, so it sits on my wrist flatter, and from a birds eye view, the case does not look as 'blocky' as my Sub (lugs taper slightly more).

[JSolution]

Originally Posted by noshame

I have the fatboy 116610LN and a 126710. I don't own a pair of calipers but to me eye, when holding them side by side, I can see a difference in that the lugs on my GMT are not as wide. I don't have to squint, I think it's noticeable, if you're looking for it. If you're not a WIS, you would think the two cases are identical.

On the wrist, the GMT also wears ever so slightly smaller, due to it being slightly thinner, so it sits on my wrist flatter, and from a birds eye view, the case does not look as 'blocky' as my Sub (lugs taper slightly more).

The 11 series GMT definitely doesn’t have the same case as a 11 series sub they’re totally different. If anything the 11 series GMT case is closer to the 12 series sub case.

[JRell]

The 12 GMTs never had the same problem the 11 Subs did with the large lugs. It is visually obvious. The 12 GMTs shaved a bit more off the lugs from the 11 GMTs, but that to me is hardly noticeable.

[dannyp]

At first I was convinced that the 12 GMT lugs were narrower and more tapered than the 11 because the watch looked less chunky to me. Then I saw some comparisons here that made me less sure. Now I’m wondering if the difference is in their slope and curvature (in terms of how they contour around the wrist). Either the measurements are the same, but the curvature makes them look different from some angles, or the measurements are different and the curvature makes them look the same from some angles.

[JSolution]

Here are my two … I don’t actually either to hand these are photos I found on my phone.

From the bottom photo at least the 116719 does in fact look slightly bigger - although I’ve never ever noticed this in wearing them and was always of the belief they were the same - Could be the angle. I’m intrigued.


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[dannyp]

Originally Posted by JSolution

Here are my two … I don’t actually either to hand these are photos I found on my phone.

From the bottom photo at least the 116719 does in fact look slightly bigger - although I’ve never ever noticed this in wearing them and was always of the belief they were the same - Could be the angle. I’m intrigued.


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That top photo seems to support my curvature argument, as the side is where they look the most different.

[Scholar]

Originally Posted by GRabens

I think they do.

They do not.

Originally Posted by GRabens

40 mm case with the fat Lugs, but I have not seen this discussed conclusively.

It has been.

Originally Posted by GRabens

If they do, I find it interesting how polarizing the 11 and 12 series Subs are, but I don't see the same negative comments regarding the GMTs. Thanks for the feedback and comments!

Because the GMT Master's 6 digit case never got the chubby lugs.

[Tanalasta]

As someone who owns both I’ll attest the cases are different. As above.

Hafiz (apart from the faux voice intonation and diction) does a good video on it.


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[JRell]

I was talking to my AD about this. If and when then GMT comes out with a 13 case, it will no doubt have similar lugs to the datejust 41 and sub 41. That being said, the difference from the subs 11 to 12 are a huge difference in the size of lugs. The GMT never really had a lug “problem”, though they are more slightly tapered from 11 to 12. The potential for GMT 12 to 13, it will be more of a facelift than a redesign.

[Lunaen]

The caseback on the GMT is thinner but the mid case is slightly thicker to accommodate the extra GMT hand.


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[amh]

Originally Posted by omar-rye

The lugs on the GMT 12 series has skinnier lugs than the 11 series supercase

Prove it.

Internet hearsay doesn't count. Show it with calipers.

Hasn't been done! Why? The case hasn't changed.

[actionkwj]

Although I can objectively say the 12 series lugs are "prettier" than the 11 series super case, I've come to appreciate the chunkier look of my 114060 on my 8" wrist as it provides a little more presence without jumping up to a 42mm Sub (SeaDweller). And to the casual observer, there's no difference at all.


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[brandrea]

I could care less, both look fantastic and the differences are minimal at best

I’m hoping Rolex starts producing case architecture that goes back to chamfered edges and more complex detailing.

[JRell]

Originally Posted by amh

Prove it.

Internet hearsay doesn't count. Show it with calipers.

Hasn't been done! Why? The case hasn't changed.

Has been many articles about this. Here is one:

https://www.swisswatchexpo.com/TheWa...710-vs-126710/

[Onequik135i]

Originally Posted by WatchGuy1966

I think the 11 series are too chunky.

I am considering getting rid of the 116710LN and getting a 16710 or 126710BLRO.

I would keep the LN, it’s a discounted classic & adding a colorful 32XX GMT watch to it would pair them up quite nicely.

[sunnygps]

Maybe I am confused... Isn't the OP asking about - Does the GMT Master IIC have the same case as the 11 Series Subs?

Like others have said earlier, the 11 series sub and GMT IIC cases are 40mm, however they are not the same. The lugs sizes and case thickness are different between the 11 series sub and the GMT IIc. GMT IIc lugs are slimmer as well as the case thickness.

I do have 11 series and 12 series GMT IIc and visually, I don't see any difference between the two. If I find the time this week, I will try to take some pictures and post. I am curious to find out for myself if there really is any difference or not.

[omar-rye]

Originally Posted by amh

Prove it.

Internet hearsay doesn't count. Show it with calipers.

Hasn't been done! Why? The case hasn't changed.

The burden of proof is on you. The photos obviously show a difference in lug “fatness”



I can’t unfortunately do the measurements as I don’t have the 12** series GMT and calibers on hand

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by omar-rye

I can’t unfortunately do the measurements as I don’t have the 12** series GMT and calibers on hand

This is an excellent reason why your AD should allocate one to you

[JRell]

Originally Posted by sunnygps

Maybe I am confused... Isn't the OP asking about - Does the GMT Master IIC have the same case as the 11 Series Subs?

Like others have said earlier, the 11 series sub and GMT IIC cases are 40mm, however they are not the same. The lugs sizes and case thickness are different between the 11 series sub and the GMT IIc. GMT IIc lugs are slimmer as well as the case thickness.

I do have 11 series and 12 series GMT IIc and visually, I don't see any difference between the two. If I find the time this week, I will try to take some pictures and post. I am curious to find out for myself if there really is any difference or not.

Here is one video that discusses the slimmer lugs on the 12. Got to 8:45 on the video. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1tuz-sFTkHY

[JRell]

Originally Posted by omar-rye

The burden of proof is on you. The photos obviously show a difference in lug “fatness”



I can’t unfortunately do the measurements as I don’t have the 12** series GMT and calibers on hand

To my eyes there is an obvious difference. The bracelet on the 11 sub seems to thin as the 12 GMT looks more balanced.

[mountainjogger]

Originally Posted by brandrea

I’m hoping Rolex starts producing case architecture that goes back to chamfered edges and more complex detailing.

That would be nice.

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by mountainjogger

That would be nice.

[omar-rye]

Originally Posted by brandrea

This is an excellent reason why your AD should allocate one to you

100% agreed!

[sunnygps]

Not relevant to this thread...