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niconyc · 1 August 2009, 10:04 AM

Hello TRF,

I have a GMT II that deserves more love than it gets, and dropped it to the NYC Rolex center this week.

They recommend the following

~ Factory movt service prese prf bzl insert & tube.
~ Case Frame 16760 S/ST
~ Case back S/ST

I would love your advice as to what I can expect returned, ie, how much of my watch will remain after a service like this?

Thanks TRF!

Tools · 1 August 2009, 10:19 AM

Sounds like they want to toss everything out except the tick-tock..........

BLM2 · 1 August 2009, 10:28 AM

Get ready for a pricely estimate. Factory movement service is $500-550. I wounder hos much additonal a case and case back will run?

Lee

Harvey58 · 1 August 2009, 10:33 AM

I wonder what they want to charge for all that. It sounds like service is just another way to make money!!!

DadsWatch72 · 1 August 2009, 10:43 AM

I don't think $550 is bad.

niconyc · 2 August 2009, 01:30 AM

Ok, here is the full breakdown from Rolex

Factory movement service ...........550
Case frame for 16760 ................ 675
Case back for SST /................... 150
Monoblock winding crown ........... 66

Does anyone have a recommendation for a second option in NYC?

Cheers TRF

DadsWatch72 · 2 August 2009, 04:33 AM

I say pour yourself a drink, take a big gulp and pay for the service. You will have a Rolex USA service paper that may just pay for the service entirely in the future.

ozark1 · 2 August 2009, 04:50 AM

I have the reciept from when I sent my GMT to Dallas RSC in Oct/05....Factory Movement Service...$420.00...Winding Crown/Case Tube..$57.00..

DadsWatch72 · 2 August 2009, 05:31 AM

And I have mine from Dallas in '95'. I am glad I have that, thats for sure. Bottom line, if your watch needs parts then the best possible place to have it serviced (IMO) is Rolex USA. They wouldn't tell you that you need a part unless you actually NEED the part. I trust them implicitly.

C. Davidson · 2 August 2009, 05:44 PM

Thats a bummer that they want to get you a new case. Is that necessary or is that an option? If an option, I'd pass on that one. I like to keep my watches as original as possible.

If its not an option and is mandatory, that a pity. A pity because it really does need it (Rolex wont make it mandatory unless it really needed it) and a pity because you watch will never be the same again. Authentic yes, but without the original case.

This is really bummin me out. I say get a second opinion at an Authorized Rolex Dealer that has a watchmaker on site with a Rolex Parts account. See what they say and go from there.

Colnago · 2 August 2009, 10:02 PM

If it does indeed need a new case then something must be seriously wrong with the current one, when you say "it deserves more love than it gets".....what do you mean......is it a 'beater' in the true sense of the word.....have you really given it a hard time....or is it something else do you think which is causing Rolex to advise a new case is required????

I just realised....that's a "fat lady"......any history of new cases being advised during service for this particular model?

Tools · 2 August 2009, 11:40 PM

If those are just "recommendations" from Rolex, you don't have to go along with them... You can select the items you want, say only a service and new tube and crown... They usually make these "recommends" if there has been pitting or corrosion at the mating/sealing surfaces.

If they won't perform the service without doing the other work, then they are not recommendations but requirements for the warranty..

If that is the case, you might check with a good watch restorer such as Bob Ridley at www.watchmakers He should be able to finish the mating surfaces for a good seal.

rajurama · 3 August 2009, 12:04 AM

I would say even change the movement , crystal and the bracelet!

guess what its a new watch :) might give it a shot if it works out cheaper than buying a new one!

Assembled rolex wow!

padi56 · 3 August 2009, 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tools

If those are just "recommendations" from Rolex, you don't have to go along with them... You can select the items you want, say only a service and new tube and crown... They usually make these "recommends" if there has been pitting or corrosion at the mating/sealing surfaces.

If they won't perform the service without doing the other work, then they are not recommendations but requirements for the warranty..

If that is the case, you might check with a good watch restorer such as Bob Ridley at www.watchmakers He should be able to finish the mating surfaces for a good seal.

Have to agree with Larry above, and would trust Bobs assessment of whats needed for your watch, far over the RSC for any vintage watch.

niconyc · 3 August 2009, 05:19 AM

Thanks guys, Ill contact Bob Ridley this week, he seems to be the man to speak with for an old bird like the 16760.

Cheers,

Nic

Rikki · 3 August 2009, 10:47 AM

There has to be a problem with the case integrity. Depending on how bad it can be lazer welded then machined flat for gaskets. Been there done that but sometimes the pits get real deep and a new case is in order. Rik the watchmaker

Idle Swede · 3 August 2009, 12:45 PM

If a new case is only $675 I would send it to RSC.

niconyc · 3 August 2009, 01:26 PM

Rikki,

When you mention the case integrity is there any way to see the damage myself? What do you guys think about a new case devaluing the watch in the long run?

Cheers,

Nic

Watchdog · 3 August 2009, 01:43 PM

Wow, that seems pricey . . . Over $1,400 for a service on a GMT II "Fat Lady" that can be bought used for $3-4,000.

IMHO, you should seek a different option, especially since, as others have mentioned, you're replacing the original (and thus desirable to a collector) parts with much less desirable new.

mastermixer · 4 August 2009, 07:09 AM

it seems expensive

niconyc · 15 August 2009, 04:14 AM

Hi guys,

Bob was actually in a similar ballpark, quite upsetting, the joy of vintage rolex! They are so worth it though, Ill keep you informed!

Thanks for all your advice,

Nic

Rikki · 15 August 2009, 10:15 AM

The only way to check the case integrity is to take the case back off and all the bezels on the front and look at the metal.If it is severly pitted then it probably won't water test. For the price of a new case you will hurt the collectiblity of it possibly but, you will have a much better looking watch and waterproof. If you plan to keep it and use it go for the new case if you plan to flip it have to old one fixed and keep it original your choice. Rik the watchmaker

nektar · 15 August 2009, 10:22 AM

this is very expensive.. do not move. send it to a watchmaker and buy a new one to enrich your everyday options!!

snow_rocks · 15 August 2009, 11:44 AM

I guess the 'Fat Lady' has sung!

If you don't go with a new case and caseback, or have it repaired, the watch will sacrifice in water proofness.

GoldenBear · 15 August 2009, 11:47 AM

$550 every 7 years is a bargain. Money well spent.

WatchSnob · 15 August 2009, 12:22 PM

Why do you need a new case and caseback????

slcbbrown · 16 August 2009, 12:07 AM

I think you'll get back a like new watch, whether that's what you want or not. They'll do nice work.

Personally, I'd go find a non-Rolex service center. Expect to pay $350-$400 for a thorough service and talk to the tech about what he thinks you really need to do beyond that.

What did you do to the watch that could require this kind of repair? Did you fall off a cliff or get run over by a bus?

1 August 2009, 10:04 AM	#1
niconyc "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: New York Watch: GTM II 16760 Posts: 40	Advice about Rolex USA Service Estimate GMT II 16760 Hello TRF, I have a GMT II that deserves more love than it gets, and dropped it to the NYC Rolex center this week. They recommend the following ~ Factory movt service prese prf bzl insert & tube. ~ Case Frame 16760 S/ST ~ Case back S/ST I would love your advice as to what I can expect returned, ie, how much of my watch will remain after a service like this? Thanks TRF!

1 August 2009, 10:19 AM	#2
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,499	Sounds like they want to toss everything out except the tick-tock.......... __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

1 August 2009, 10:33 AM	#4
Harvey58 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Harvey Location: Clermont, Florida Watch: TT Sub Champ Serti Posts: 338	I wonder what they want to charge for all that. It sounds like service is just another way to make money!!! __________________ TT Sub Champ. Serti Dial "M" SS Sub-C "G"

2 August 2009, 05:44 PM	#10
C. Davidson "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: WXSW Watch: GMT (116710) Posts: 2,723	Thats a bummer that they want to get you a new case. Is that necessary or is that an option? If an option, I'd pass on that one. I like to keep my watches as original as possible. If its not an option and is mandatory, that a pity. A pity because it really does need it (Rolex wont make it mandatory unless it really needed it) and a pity because you watch will never be the same again. Authentic yes, but without the original case. This is really bummin me out. I say get a second opinion at an Authorized Rolex Dealer that has a watchmaker on site with a Rolex Parts account. See what they say and go from there. __________________ -Cheers, Chris #15,634 "The heart of the discerning acquires knowledge; the ears of the wise seek it out."

2 August 2009, 10:02 PM	#11
Colnago "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Real Name: Bill Hart Location: Richmond, NY, UK Watch: Rlx=3, Tdr=3, Om=3 Posts: 3,053	If it does indeed need a new case then something must be seriously wrong with the current one, when you say "it deserves more love than it gets".....what do you mean......is it a 'beater' in the true sense of the word.....have you really given it a hard time....or is it something else do you think which is causing Rolex to advise a new case is required???? I just realised....that's a "fat lady"......any history of new cases being advised during service for this particular model? __________________ Bill "There's only three kinds of people in this world....those that can count....and those that can't" TRF's "JJ's" Bar & NightClub Patron

1 August 2009, 10:28 AM	#3
BLM2 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: USA Posts: 360	Get ready for a pricely estimate. Factory movement service is $500-550. I wounder hos much additonal a case and case back will run? Lee

1 August 2009, 10:43 AM	#5
DadsWatch72 Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: USA Watch: DRSD 1665 #3551XXX Posts: 2,401	I don't think $550 is bad.

2 August 2009, 01:30 AM	#6
niconyc "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: New York Watch: GTM II 16760 Posts: 40	Ok, here is the full breakdown from Rolex Factory movement service ...........550 Case frame for 16760 ................ 675 Case back for SST /................... 150 Monoblock winding crown ........... 66 Does anyone have a recommendation for a second option in NYC? Cheers TRF

2 August 2009, 04:33 AM	#7
DadsWatch72 Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: USA Watch: DRSD 1665 #3551XXX Posts: 2,401	I say pour yourself a drink, take a big gulp and pay for the service. You will have a Rolex USA service paper that may just pay for the service entirely in the future.

2 August 2009, 04:50 AM	#8
ozark1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: ar. Posts: 71	I have the reciept from when I sent my GMT to Dallas RSC in Oct/05....Factory Movement Service...$420.00...Winding Crown/Case Tube..$57.00..

2 August 2009, 05:31 AM	#9
DadsWatch72 Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: USA Watch: DRSD 1665 #3551XXX Posts: 2,401	And I have mine from Dallas in '95'. I am glad I have that, thats for sure. Bottom line, if your watch needs parts then the best possible place to have it serviced (IMO) is Rolex USA. They wouldn't tell you that you need a part unless you actually NEED the part. I trust them implicitly.

2 August 2009, 11:40 PM	#12
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,499	If those are just "recommendations" from Rolex, you don't have to go along with them... You can select the items you want, say only a service and new tube and crown... They usually make these "recommends" if there has been pitting or corrosion at the mating/sealing surfaces. If they won't perform the service without doing the other work, then they are not recommendations but requirements for the warranty.. If that is the case, you might check with a good watch restorer such as Bob Ridley at www.watchmakers He should be able to finish the mating surfaces for a good seal. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

3 August 2009, 12:04 AM	#13
rajurama "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Real Name: Rick Location: Wakanda Watch: amacallit Posts: 2,090	I would say even change the movement , crystal and the bracelet! guess what its a new watch :) might give it a shot if it works out cheaper than buying a new one! Assembled rolex wow!

3 August 2009, 05:19 AM	#15
niconyc "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: New York Watch: GTM II 16760 Posts: 40	Thanks guys, Ill contact Bob Ridley this week, he seems to be the man to speak with for an old bird like the 16760. Cheers, Nic

3 August 2009, 10:47 AM	#16
Rikki TechXpert Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: Rik Dietel Location: Seminole Fla Watch: 5512 s/s Sub Posts: 1,818	There has to be a problem with the case integrity. Depending on how bad it can be lazer welded then machined flat for gaskets. Been there done that but sometimes the pits get real deep and a new case is in order. Rik the watchmaker

3 August 2009, 12:45 PM	#17
Idle Swede Suspended Join Date: Oct 2008 Real Name: Leo Location: Boca Raton Posts: 13,820	If a new case is only $675 I would send it to RSC.

3 August 2009, 01:26 PM	#18
niconyc "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: New York Watch: GTM II 16760 Posts: 40	Rikki, When you mention the case integrity is there any way to see the damage myself? What do you guys think about a new case devaluing the watch in the long run? Cheers, Nic

3 August 2009, 01:43 PM	#19
Watchdog "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Junkyard Dog Location: The Doghouse Watch: I can't tell time Posts: 6,819	Wow, that seems pricey . . . Over $1,400 for a service on a GMT II "Fat Lady" that can be bought used for $3-4,000. IMHO, you should seek a different option, especially since, as others have mentioned, you're replacing the original (and thus desirable to a collector) parts with much less desirable new.

4 August 2009, 07:09 AM	#20
mastermixer "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: Michael Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,474	it seems expensive

15 August 2009, 04:14 AM	#21
niconyc "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: New York Watch: GTM II 16760 Posts: 40	Hi guys, Bob was actually in a similar ballpark, quite upsetting, the joy of vintage rolex! They are so worth it though, Ill keep you informed! Thanks for all your advice, Nic

15 August 2009, 10:15 AM	#22
Rikki TechXpert Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: Rik Dietel Location: Seminole Fla Watch: 5512 s/s Sub Posts: 1,818	The only way to check the case integrity is to take the case back off and all the bezels on the front and look at the metal.If it is severly pitted then it probably won't water test. For the price of a new case you will hurt the collectiblity of it possibly but, you will have a much better looking watch and waterproof. If you plan to keep it and use it go for the new case if you plan to flip it have to old one fixed and keep it original your choice. Rik the watchmaker

15 August 2009, 10:22 AM	#23
nektar "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Louisiana Watch: 114060 Posts: 1,678	this is very expensive.. do not move. send it to a watchmaker and buy a new one to enrich your everyday options!!

15 August 2009, 11:44 AM	#24
snow_rocks Banned Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Rick Location: At what TIME?!!! Watch: the SKY tonite! Posts: 3,225	I guess the 'Fat Lady' has sung! If you don't go with a new case and caseback, or have it repaired, the watch will sacrifice in water proofness.

15 August 2009, 11:47 AM	#25
GoldenBear "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: San Francisco Watch: Submariner Posts: 2,480	$550 every 7 years is a bargain. Money well spent. __________________ ____________________________________________ Rolex Blue TT Submariner Rolex SS Submariner Breitling Emergency Mission They are just watches, wear 'em. ____________________________________________

15 August 2009, 12:22 PM	#26
WatchSnob Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: US Posts: 460	Why do you need a new case and caseback????

16 August 2009, 12:07 AM	#27
slcbbrown "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Real Name: steve Location: dallas area Watch: 50's TT t-bird Posts: 3,689	typical I think you'll get back a like new watch, whether that's what you want or not. They'll do nice work. Personally, I'd go find a non-Rolex service center. Expect to pay $350-$400 for a thorough service and talk to the tech about what he thinks you really need to do beyond that. What did you do to the watch that could require this kind of repair? Did you fall off a cliff or get run over by a bus?

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