Tried on a new sub no-date today....

[michael69]

Because, basically, I never have before (I have a TT datejust)
Felt really light and almost "flimsy" (I know that it isn't before I get it in the neck!!) in comparison to my DJ; I hadn't expected that, given that it is a "tool" watch.

Now I know that my datejust has solid links and a bit of gold, but I was expecting the Submariner to feel like a more "solid" watch, and in all honesty it just doesn't; mine feels far heavier and solid.

I think Rolex are updating the sub (are they?) like they did with the new 36mm DJ, so maybe the newer models will have the "heft" that I assume you get with the new GMT for example? (I haven't tried one of those)

Any thoughts?

[Rambam]

The 14060m is the last "old school" Rolex in the lineup with it`s lugholes and hollow endlinks.
I had the same feeling you did when I first handled one. I had an Explorer2 and an LV at the time, and both felt more "solid".
There`s no getting away from the fact that the bracelet is flimsy and has a cheap feel to it, I would love to see it with a SEL bracelet, but, and there`s is a but here. It is what it is just because of these "faults" if you will. The bracelet will outlive you and serve you well and the watch itself, well nearly unaltered for the last 50 years speaks for itself.
I`m not a big fan of the new supercase trend, so I snagged one before they had a chance to ruin this classic.

[Art 1]

Originally Posted by michael69

Because, basically, I never have before (I have a TT datejust)
Felt really light and almost "flimsy" (I know that it isn't before I get it in the neck!!) in comparison to my DJ; I hadn't expected that, given that it is a "tool" watch.

Now I know that my datejust has solid links and a bit of gold, but I was expecting the Submariner to feel like a more "solid" watch, and in all honesty it just doesn't; mine feels far heavier and solid.

I think Rolex are updating the sub (are they?) like they did with the new 36mm DJ, so maybe the newer models will have the "heft" that I assume you get with the new GMT for example? (I haven't tried one of those)

Any thoughts?

I know what you mean, the Sub Date and the Exp2 feel the same way.

[mck22]

Interesting thread, I am actually looking at a no date this week. Might put a new perspective on what I think.

[Blue Lantern]

Originally Posted by michael69

Felt really light and almost "flimsy"

That's actually what I like about it! I went to an AD and spent some time comparing it to the date, and really preferred how much thinner and lighter the no-date was. Even though I like having the date, I definitely want to own the no-date.

[Bimmernate]

Hurray for the no-date.

[RolexPete32]

I know what you mean. I have an LV sub and the new clasp air-king from Baselwold 2007and my little air-king feels more solid however I still like the sub.

[Genevapics]

I have the 14060m and LOVE it! I felt the same way when I first handled one at an AD; the bracelet felt flimsy when compared to a Sea Dweller or my Speedmaster Pro. That said, I knew it was a wonderful watch and that the bracelet had stood the test of time. I have not looked back as I purchased one and wear it weekly.

Blue Lantern, check out the J.E. Caldwell at the Christiana Mall; they are offering TWO (2) Years no interest.

Good luck.

[Blue Lantern]

Originally Posted by Genevapics

I have the 14060m and LOVE it! I felt the same way when I first handled one at an AD; the bracelet felt flimsy when compared to a Sea Dweller or my Speedmaster Pro. That said, I knew it was a wonderful watch and that the bracelet had stood the test of time. I have not looked back as I purchased one and wear it weekly.

Blue Lantern, check out the J.E. Caldwell at the Christiana Mall; they are offering TWO (2) Years no interest.

Good luck.

Ha ha ha, stop! I've been flirting with buying new for a little while, and found a brand-new, non-COSC, Z-series Sub at the JE Caldwell inside the Hotel du Pont! But my wife and I agree that my budget should be $3,000 or less, so I just have to go pre-owned. I was actually thinking about starting a thread about that new non-COSC Sub because it seems like a relatively rare find, and I imagine someone on here would be willing to pay retail for it.

[tifosi]

I thought the same thing when I first handled the Sub. Once you put it on and wear it for a while...it feels right. Everything else will feel unnecessarily heavy. The no-date Sub is perfection...to me anyway.

[chriseskew24]

To be honest i felt that way about my 16610 the bracelet felt kind of cheap to me at first. I guess i was expecting a diffrent feel then a run of the mill bracelet on a multi thousand dollar watch. But i got used to it and love it all the same.

[volkersports]

My Sub Z series is so solid and heavy that I took off the Oyster band and wear it with a G-10 Nato strap. I compared it to the DJ when I bought it in 2007 and found it to be heavier. Have they changed in the past two years? And, are they getting set to discontinue the no-date? That would be a shame because the 14060 is the true decendent of the first Subs from the fifties.

[PeterT]

I like the appearance of the watch but it was the bracelet that put me off in comparison the my TT Sub, GMT and SD.
I was not keen on the fact that the extension kept on unclipping itself all the time and this was on a brand new watch.

P.

[walds11]

I feel the same way. I bought a Sub No Date last year. Sold it within a week and stuck with my trusty Sub Date. The Sub Date has a much more solid feel due to the SEL and diver's extension.

[SDDS]

go for it...

[al_bongo]

I'm guessing the bracelet is the main culprit. It seems to be a bit of a relic from the past.
Comfortable and does the job. After a while you don't really notice it.

If you're looking for a solid heavy watch the Omega Seamaster Pro feels more substantial than the sub, date or no date.

[mcubed]

Originally Posted by al_bongo

I'm guessing the bracelet is the main culprit. It seems to be a bit of a relic from the past.
Comfortable and does the job. After a while you don't really notice it.

If you're looking for a solid heavy watch the Omega Seamaster Pro feels more substantial than the sub, date or no date.

But this is exactly the point. This is the last holdover, the closest you can get in a new Rolex to the feel of a Rolex from what could arguably seen as Rolexes heyday, the 1960s....back when a dive watch was necessary, waterproofing was an achievement, and the sub was still attainable by the kind of person (sea explorers, oil rig divers, marine scientists) who would actually need it. I think that it is not long for this world, and this might be the last few years for the production of this watch. The new supercase Rolexes are fabulous, and a great example of what a modern high quality luxury sports watch can be, but the 14060 is the last Rolex "time traveler"

[Bigworm]

I'm not an old-school kinda guy, I like new and improved everything. I see an old Mercedes that is in perfect condition and I couldn't care less; I like new. I got the GMT IIc about a month ago, my first Rolex, and I love it. My dad had a Pepsi GMT and I loved it. When he passed away 11 years ago, my brother got it and it just sits in his drawer, which is just ridiculous, but I digress. I've always wanted my own GMT and so when I finally got to a point in life where I could afford one, I was stoked to see the new GMT IIc and all the upgrades. However, the more I keep hanging around here, and reading about Rolex and looking at pictures, there is something about the no-date Submariner that just really appeals to me, and I don't know why. I've never wanted any other watch before besides the GMT. While I have no intention of purchasing another Rolex right now (or in the forseeable future) if they ever make an upgraded Submariner no-date, I might be in trouble. What is the appeal of this watch to me? Why, if I have this beautiful GMT IIc, do I have a growing longing for the no-date sub?

[mike]

In the era of the "Tool Watch" these led the way....and laughed off more abuse than most modern pieces will see in a lifetime.

[ParachromBlue]

Originally Posted by Bigworm

However, the more I keep hanging around here, and reading about Rolex and looking at pictures, there is something about the no-date Submariner that just really appeals to me, and I don't know why. I've never wanted any other watch before besides the GMT. While I have no intention of purchasing another Rolex right now (or in the forseeable future) if they ever make an upgraded Submariner no-date, I might be in trouble. What is the appeal of this watch to me? Why, if I have this beautiful GMT IIc, do I have a growing longing for the no-date sub?

Don't fight that feeling . I just purchased a GMT IIc myself. It's an outstanding piece, but I think the urge for others will not be tamed.

[al_bongo]

Originally Posted by mcubed

But this is exactly the point. This is the last holdover, the closest you can get in a new Rolex to the feel of a Rolex from what could arguably seen as Rolexes heyday, the 1960s....back when a dive watch was necessary, waterproofing was an achievement, and the sub was still attainable by the kind of person (sea explorers, oil rig divers, marine scientists) who would actually need it. I think that it is not long for this world, and this might be the last few years for the production of this watch. The new supercase Rolexes are fabulous, and a great example of what a modern high quality luxury sports watch can be, but the 14060 is the last Rolex "time traveler"

In a nutshell that's part of it's appeal to me, though I think the O/P is more concerned with the look and feel rather than what the watch is all abou.t

[Deep Sea]

At one time or another in the last few years, I've had one of every model in the professional line-up (except the Daytona...not my thing).

The only one I regularly regret selling is my COSC ND Sub. I'll get another eventually, and probably a used one. No matter what you may think from reading the posts of others, it is a tough watch.

Yes, the bracelet feels flimsy compared to the GMT IIC, and most other watches. Yes, it squeaks and rattles. Yes, it has no solid end link. Yes, it has lug holes.

But it is a great looking, simple, iconic watch.

[vukotab]

Sub No Date just rocks!
I like it`s appearance, I like it`s weight, I like...even hollow end links! Quintessential sport watch!

[Blueoctopus007]

The no date is on my hit list !!!

[Doug507]

I am convinced the only reason the 14060M feels "flimsy" is because dive watches of today are hockey pucks. The 14060M and is lineage represent the first and best in dive watches - and remember the Sub was considered huge when it came out. These watches have taken more abuse and seen more action over the past five decades than anything else out there (with 2nd place going to the venerable Seiko auto divers).

I am really sad to see Rolex turning its back on this fine heritage and following the big watch fad. Or, maybe I'm just getting old.