What is more desirable? (Harder to get from AP)

[rcwatchcollector]

Double balance skeleton or flying torbillion?


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[CactusTreeFiddy]

yes

[VogelPhoenix]

Originally Posted by rcwatchcollector

Double balance skeleton or flying torbillion?

Subject seems to contain two separate questions. I like the 15407/15416 better, but some of the tourbillon variants are harder to get.

[APhound]

Ton of demand for the open work. But i see a lot less tourbillons. Actually never seen one. I would pick a tourb without much thought between the two.
Just my opinion.


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[mickyd329]

There are definitely less tourbs than openworked. At the same time, I think the demand is way higher for the openworked. When planning out my allocations with my SA, tourbs came up in the discussion and it didn't seem like too difficult of an ask. I could be wrong, but that's the sense I got.

As for which is more desirable? I would rather have my poor man's tourb in the double balance. lol.

[l_chissle]

I think the 'basic' tourbillon is way easier to get than the skeletons

[Crazywis]

Amongst the time only skeletons (16204, 15407, 15416 and 15467), what is the order of difficulty?

[eiesh]

I think this might be a good matchup 15416CE vs 26735ST


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[Willyjo]

The OpenWork DB definitely harder to get and more in demand. Been offered the Tourbillion’s many times but not something I desire


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[Patek3712]

Openwork DB is harder to obtain from the Boutique.

[rcwatchcollector]

Interesting. Thanks for the info. I’m not anywhere near getting one allocated but it is something I’ve been thinking about. Of course there are the different variations of each watch. I would take the tourbillon over the double balance as I’ve always been fascinated by them. But then I suppose you really need both. lol.


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[Reign]

Double balance for sure.

People buy tourbs to get the DB


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[VogelPhoenix]

Originally Posted by Willyjo

The OpenWork DB definitely harder to get and more in demand. Been offered the Tourbillion’s many times but not something I desire

I asked about the the "hammered" dial tourbillon and and just got a slow head shake.

[burakusta]

I have a flying tourbillon 26530st, for me black ceramic is much harder to get.
It took almost 2 years for me to get the ceramic and not even the openworked or the double balance.
Its funny i got the 26530st by pure luck, someone ordered then didn’t pull the trigger.
I walked in randomly and told my sales representative that i need something special and there was the tourbillon, same thing would not happen if it was a openworked ceramic

[SRG89]

Does anybody know the allocation process for hard to obtain pieces such as openwork DB's, tourbs even starwheels?
Do they get sent to boutiques/ AP Houses and the manager then allocates or are they made at more of a head office level and they're sent out once approved?

[Palex]

Originally Posted by VogelPhoenix

I asked about the the "hammered" dial tourbillon and and just got a slow head shake.

A slow head shake isn't as bad as a fast one, is it? :-)

[SRG89]

Originally Posted by Palex

A slow head shake isn't as bad as a fast one, is it? :-)

A slow and a fast headshake are higher up on the rejection pyramid. I enjoy being laughed at personally

[rcwatchcollector]

I have to lol at the slow head shake. Ha ha.


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[Vince_76]

Originally Posted by VogelPhoenix

I asked about the the "hammered" dial tourbillon and and just got a slow head shake.

Lol! To OP’s question - double balance for sure

[VogelPhoenix]

Originally Posted by SRG89

Does anybody know the allocation process for hard to obtain pieces such as openwork DB's, tourbs even starwheels?
Do they get sent to boutiques/ AP Houses and the manager then allocates or are they made at more of a head office level and they're sent out once approved?

Don't know model-by-model, but there are different levels of approval, and many of them (e.g. openworked) are above individual boutique manager level.

[llngoc]

Originally Posted by VogelPhoenix

I asked about the the "hammered" dial tourbillon and and just got a slow head shake.

Originally Posted by burakusta

I have a flying tourbillon 26530st, for me black ceramic is much harder to get.
It took almost 2 years for me to get the ceramic and not even the openworked or the double balance.
Its funny i got the 26530st by pure luck, someone ordered then didn’t pull the trigger.
I walked in randomly and told my sales representative that i need something special and there was the tourbillon, same thing would not happen if it was a openworked ceramic

Originally Posted by Palex

A slow head shake isn't as bad as a fast one, is it? :-)

Originally Posted by SRG89

A slow and a fast headshake are higher up on the rejection pyramid. I enjoy being laughed at personally

Originally Posted by rcwatchcollector

I have to lol at the slow head shake. Ha ha.


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My SA is really cool. He showed me RD#3 and the turqoise dial 37mm. My wife asked for the white ceramic 34mm and 34mm frosted gold. I am aware that all of them are "hard-to-get". He never tried to discourage us and put them down on our wishlist and told me that he will be working on them.

Mind you that we are very small customer with the boutique but our SA makes us do believe that he is taking our wishlist seriously. In fact, just a few weeks ago he asked if one of the references on our list came in the next shipment, will I be able to fly in to pick it up.

[Michael1968]

Originally Posted by l_chissle

i think the 'basic' tourbillon is way easier to get than the skeletons

+1

[watchaser]

Since we’re on the topic of Openworked and Tourbillion.. my friends allocation of the Flying Tourbillion Openworked.

I was fortunate to try on this rare bird. Not something you see everyday. If you are wondering the "Price On Request", it was $245K after tax that day he paid.

[rcwatchcollector]

Originally Posted by watchaser

Since we’re on the topic of Openworked and Tourbillion.. my friends allocation of the Flying Tourbillion Openworked.

I was fortunate to try on this rare bird. Not something you see everyday. If you are wondering the "Price On Request", it was $245K after tax.

Amazing. Stunning. He has the double balance already?


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[watchaser]

@rcwatchcollector surprisingly the double balance openworked is not on his AP roadmap. Having conversations with my friend, he prefers balanced and symmetrical dials/faces.

[rcwatchcollector]

Originally Posted by watchaser

@rcwatchcollector surprisingly the double balance openworked is not on his AP roadmap. Having conversations with my friend, he prefers balanced and symmetrical dials/faces.

I get that. Amazing watch. That would be my grail piece.


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[raclaims]

You beat me to it I was going to post my openwerked flying tourb - I love flying tourbs and prefer it to the DB




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[APhound]

Originally Posted by raclaims

You beat me to it I was going to post my openwerked flying tourb - I love flying tourbs and prefer it to the DB




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Incredible, Raclaims.
You always remind me that there’s another level!


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[watchaser]

@raclaims beauty!!congrats to you!

Thanks for sharing.

[rcwatchcollector]

Originally Posted by raclaims

You beat me to it I was going to post my openwerked flying tourb - I love flying tourbs and prefer it to the DB




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I quite like the real life pictures of this watch in this thread. Thanks! I just noticed the Audemars Logo is printed on the Sapphire. Nice touch. Amazing watch. Another level indeed.


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