32xx movement problem poll and data thread

[Easy E]

Data from my BLNR - it is actually running fast, which I did not expect.

[Easy E]

Data from my DD40. This one makes me mad - real mad.

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by Easy E

Data from my DD40. This one makes me mad - real mad.

I almost joined you in the "Mad House".

Reading your figures (results) almost tipped me over the edge.

The only really good way to comprehend your figures is by showing them in a graph format.

[Easy E]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

I almost joined you in the "Mad House".

Reading your figures (results) almost tipped me over the edge.

The only really good way to comprehend your figures is by showing them in a graph format.

Scared of tables? I understand. I’ll get them converted to graphs. May take a day or so, I’m going to be a bit busy at work the next day or so. More to follow.

[machine=art]

Greetings knowledgable enthusiasts!--First post here.

I've been reading this valuable forum for some time now and really didn't believe I had much to contribute, until now.

I'm a lifelong watch nerd and have slowly and methodically moved into the world of attainable luxury watches. I've worked hard and saved long to arrive at a point where I can acquire pieces I've long researched.

Five years ago I purchased my first Rolex, an 114060. I purchased this watch for so many reasons other than its popularity and brand. It isn't everything I want in a watch but it's close.

I was excited by the incremental tweaks introduced in the 124060 and 126610ln. After living with the 114060 (and its beautiful symmetry) I decided I wanted a date function since I was always asking my partner multiple times a day: "What it the date?". And, with my lousy unaided vision, the AR coating and larger hands of the 12 series actually make a difference.

I registered my interest with a couple AD's and began the wait associated with popular models in conjunction with the "market forces" we are all familiar with. I'm patient.

10 days ago I picked up a 126610ln sub-date with the 3235 machine.

The first day of ownership it lost 5 or so seconds. I ignored it and attributed the lost time, though minimal, to a lack of full windup and no knowledge of the idiosyncrasies of my individual unit regarding manual regulation and positional variances. The second day, after a full wind it lost additional time.
Moderately concerned, I sought out a watchmaker with a timegrapher. After some debate about lift angle the results were apparent...LOW AMPLITUDE (!).
[At least low amplitude when compared to known/expected values of many mechanical movements currently in the wild.]

I was deflated a bit more than I imagined.

My 114060 with its 3130 runs quick, has been regulated once under warranty and though 2.5 seconds fast a day, is stable and operates with an amplitude at the very top end of normal (300-310 deg.).

Surprisingly over several days up until this morning the new watch was running about -.5 seconds a day according to my tracker app and certainly within the superlative claim. Then all of a sudden this afternoon it lost 15 seconds in 6 hours. I decided it was time to have a discussion with my AD. But, before the call, I wanted to be certain I had objective data to share. So, I went to another AD with an in-house service center to conduct another amplitude test. The results were even worse.

Maybe this is an anomaly and I received a unit from one end of the bellcurve but something is not well with my long awaited watch.

For the record, I did not respond to the poll in the beginning of this discussion.

TBC

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by machine=art

I've been reading this valuable forum for some time now and really didn't believe I had much to contribute, until now.
TBC

Firstly, Welcome to the forum and especially this thread.

It would on first glance appear that your watch is very similar to many if not all of our watches.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Easy E

Scared of tables? I understand. I’ll get them converted to graphs. May take a day or so, I’m going to be a bit busy at work the next day or so. More to follow.

No need, graphs are done :-)

The additional data points after 12 and 36 hours are useful. None of your watches reach 60 hours?

I suggest to do a simple test with all your watches:

(1) Full winding, note the exact time
(2) Place in DU for rest (not moving)
(3) Wait until movement stops running
(4) Calculate the power reserve

Do all watches reach the power reserve of approx. 70 hours?

Good job and set of data!

[Easy E]

Originally Posted by saxo3

No need, graphs are done :-)

The additional data points after 12 and 36 hours are useful. None of your watches reach 60 hours?

I suggest to do a simple test with all your watches:

(1) Full winding, note the exact time
(2) Place in DU for rest (not moving)
(3) Wait until movement stops running
(4) Calculate the power reserve

Do all watches reach the power reserve of approx. 70 hours?

Good job and set of data!

60 HR data in. DD40 is vomitous, BLNR is really good.

DD40
DU -17.6, 156
DD -12.6, 154
3U -31.7, 122
6U -45.6, 180
9U -23.1, 125

BLNR
DU 5.3, 198
DD 2.7, 200
3U-10.3, 156
6U -4.5, 155
9U 1.8, 162
(relax Charles, will get added to the graph shortly)

At 60 Hrs the BLNR is running avg -.1 with an avg Amp of 174.2. This is way better than any of my other watches. The DD40 is avg -26.12, 147.4 Dramatically different and terrible. What is in fact up with that?

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by Easy E

relax Charles, will get added to the graph shortly

A little off topic but how much are you paying (Bribing) Saxo3 to produce a speedy graph.

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by Easy E

Data from my DD40.

I have not understood the DD40 Results you posted for the first 5 readings ... Worn .... and then the 5 positions ..... Does this mean the you wore the watch for a period of time and then took measurements before the full wind and so on ?

[Easy E]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

I have not understood the DD40 Results you posted for the first 5 readings ... Worn .... and then the 5 positions ..... Does this mean the you wore the watch for a period of time and then took measurements before the full wind and so on ?

Correct. Worn is random. Then full wind -> read, sit -> read, etc.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Easy E

Data from my DD40. This one makes me mad - real mad.

Something went wrong with your measurement in 6U @24 hours. Very low vertical amplitudes after full winding. 200 degrees is the Rolex acceptance limit after 24 hours.

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by Easy E

Data from my BLNR - it is actually running fast, which I did not expect.

An observation I have seen in your 2 charts of today .......

Do you have two TimeGraphers ? You seem to be measuring two watches at the same time.

If you have just the one (Which is what I have) I can only measure one watch at a time as it stays all the time on the arm of my TimeGrapher. Moving the watch will inevitably cause some movement and therefore even add to your winding /Amplitude.

[Easy E]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

An observation I have seen in your 2 charts of today .......

Do you have two TimeGraphers ? You seem to be measuring two watches at the same time.

If you have just the one (Which is what I have) I can only measure one watch at a time as it stays all the time on the arm of my TimeGrapher. Moving the watch will inevitably cause some movement and therefore even add to your winding /Amplitude.

Just one meter. The watches sit until the next reading cycle. I have a few to wear in the mean time. I’ll post a pic to demonstrate my setup, it’s pretty straightforward. So, there is a good 20-30 minutes difference in any given point of measurement period between the two watches. I read all five positions with each watch with a couple of minutes rest between each reading. I don’t really believe I am moving the timepiece enough to throw off the amp measurement and I believe the 20-30 minutes latency in 0, 12, 24, 48 between the two watches is pretty close to irrelevant.

[Easy E]

Originally Posted by Easy E

Just one meter. The watches sit until the next reading cycle. I have a few to wear in the mean time. I’ll post a pic to demonstrate my setup, it’s pretty straightforward. So, there is a good 20-30 minutes difference in any given point of measurement period between the two watches. I read all five positions with each watch with a couple of minutes rest between each reading. I don’t really believe I am moving the timepiece enough to throw off the amp measurement and I believe the 20-30 minutes latency in 0, 12, 24, 48 between the two watches is pretty close to irrelevant.

This is currently what I have going on. The BLNR and DD40 are just sitting by the meter. I read one, all 5 positions, read the next. Again, I feel like what little movement I impart and the variance of just a few minutes (over hours) isn't a huge deal.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Easy E

Data from my BLNR - it is actually running fast, which I did not expect.

Something went wrong with your measurement in 9U @24 hours.