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vitix · 15 February 2010, 06:06 AM

Guys, i talked with the watchmaker, the problem now is the Movement... it has something broken and thats why it stoped, he told me that it has ine of the princiopal gears broken, the name he said was "Ancora" its in spanish and i dont have the word of the piece in english, he said he does not have a replacement piece and this could take a long time unless i get it somewhere else....

i know this is expencive and i cant afford it right now...

i miss my watch and i now i know it would be a long time when get to put it on my wrist again....

fleabag · 15 February 2010, 06:30 AM

Sorry to hear this Victor,hope it gets sorted out mate,
Jamie & Rachel (UK)

Zirotti · 15 February 2010, 06:41 AM

This whole thing sounds fishy to me. Now this guy has the watch he "sold" you, your $2500 and your other watches. Why not just get everything back and save money until you can afford a Daytona from a reputable dealer?

There are just too many things not right here.

rfknauss · 15 February 2010, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

Gosh Victor.. I sure hope it all works out... but I gotta be honest when I say I don't like the sound of things....

P.S. Su Ingles esta Bien!

Victor, I agree with Paul's comments above. Hoping things turn out OK for you.

aaronr · 15 February 2010, 12:45 PM

I'd say you can see how legit the deal is by trying to back out and judging the reaction.

sunburst · 15 February 2010, 11:10 PM

I hope you least have the record of monetary transaction (i.e. receipt).

nauticajoe · 15 February 2010, 11:23 PM

I agree....a 2nd opinion would be prudent. You'll sleep better.

vitix · 16 February 2010, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Zirotti

This whole thing sounds fishy to me. Now this guy has the watch he "sold" you, your $2500 and your other watches. Why not just get everything back and save money until you can afford a Daytona from a reputable dealer?

There are just too many things not right here.

well he is very serious.. i'm not scared at all about the money... what i was worried about is that if the whole watch case and dial is not quite fron one watch... is like he build a watch with differents parts, but now the movement is broken... i need parts that he does not have!!! i need help!!

jnmarshall · 16 February 2010, 05:20 AM

From the sounds of it, I would definitely have a service center look at it. They will "estimate" it for free and tell you if anything doesn't belong.
Also as to times for repair and/or service, you mentioned it was taking like 3 weeks. That's not so unreal. The shortest estimated time I ever got was 4 weeks. I've learned that 4 weeks or more for anything non-surface or external cosmetics related is pretty common and reasonable for the job to be done right.

What I might be fishy about is if he is taking peices from yours and building another watch. It seems a common practice from many used/resellers.

RooRocks · 16 February 2010, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by vitix

we dint discuss a final price.. i gave him 2,500 in down payment, telling him that i dont have more money and he sopose to tell me the final price later... though i'm selling a couple of watches in his store, so he has 2 watches (not big deal) and 2500

so he has arround 3000... i guess is cheap..

So you gave him $2,500 without even asking him the final price? Is anything in writing? ? I highly doubt a jeweler would give someone a $15k+ watch on trust to come back and pay for the rest.

RooRocks · 16 February 2010, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by r1@160@alltimes

2 things...1)have authorized rolex watchmaker authenticate the watch
2)agree on the final selling price asap

3) get something is writing!

R1@160@alltimes · 16 February 2010, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by RooRocks

3) get something is writing!

Good point

RooRocks · 16 February 2010, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by R1@160@alltimes

Good point

This jeweler now has Victors $2,500, 2 of his watches, and the Daytona and I have a feeling nothing is in writing. IT almost sounds like he pieced together a couple watches with some genuine some fake parts.

Victor how do you know the movement is real? There are a lot of fake movements our there than can fool the best.

R1@160@alltimes · 16 February 2010, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by RooRocks

This jeweler now has Victors $2,500, 2 of his watches, and the Daytona and I have a feeling nothing is in writing. IT almost sounds like he pieced together a couple watches with some genuine some fake parts.

Victor how do you know the movement is real? There are a lot of fake movements our there than can fool the best.

I would run away from that proposition. Just too many unknowns.

RooRocks · 16 February 2010, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by R1@160@alltimes

I would run away from that proposition. Just too many unknowns.

I myself would have never even considered this deal. It seems the jeweler saw an opportunity here with someone who wanted something and was willing to believe anything to get what he wants.

JRA21 · 16 February 2010, 06:51 AM

Victor do your self a favor and get your money and watches back. There is something wrong with this deal and the bigest red flag is NO FINAL SALE PRICE ??? Get your stuff back ASAP.

SDDS · 16 February 2010, 08:25 AM

congratulations Victor u finally made it..ur GRAIL watch

spuds · 16 February 2010, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by JRA21

Victor do your self a favor and get your money and watches back. There is something wrong with this deal and the bigest red flag is NO FINAL SALE PRICE ??? Get your stuff back ASAP.

Agreed.

Hope this works out for you Victor mate.

SS Oyster · 16 February 2010, 06:44 PM

It's a rip-off, get out now. Go in and demand your deposit back as well as your other two watches. Hopefully, this guy who spotted you a WG Daytona for $2500 isn't also telling you your SubDate is only worth part of $500.

Best of luck ... you're gonna need it I'm afraid.

vitix · 17 February 2010, 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by SS Oyster

It's a rip-off, get out now. Go in and demand your deposit back as well as your other two watches. Hopefully, this guy who spotted you a WG Daytona for $2500 isn't also telling you your SubDate is only worth part of $500.

Best of luck ... you're gonna need it I'm afraid.

well i dont think this watchmaker will trick me or something, i know this guy for manny years now and he has always been the watchmaker i take all my timepieces...

RooRocks · 17 February 2010, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by vitix

well i dont think this watchmaker will trick me or something, i know this guy for manny years now and he has always been the watchmaker i take all my timepieces...

I am not sure if you are in some serious state of denial or just totally blinded by this watch. Sorry if I sound rude but it is time to wake up and realize what this jeweler is doing. Snap out of the trance and the idea that you own a Daytona and get your money and watches back.

dardeca · 17 February 2010, 08:06 AM

I can look at that picture and how the bracelet meets the case and tell you with 100% certainty that the watch is not an authentic Rolex WG Daytona. It could still potentially be an authentic SS Daytona...but a WG Daytona it is not. It's hard to describe, but in short, the WG bracelet does not curve at the same angle as the lugs when it approaches the first full link in the bracelet. As a result, the WG bracelet actually protrudes (or bubbles out) a little higher than the lugs as it curves away from the dial.

hennabav · 17 February 2010, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by RooRocks

I am not sure if you are in some serious state of denial or just totally blinded by this watch. Sorry if I sound rude but it is time to wake up and realize what this jeweler is doing. Snap out of the trance and the idea that you own a Daytona and get your money and watches back.

I agree with RooRocks. This deal sounds very very fishy. I would actually not be able to sleep probably. I think your first priority should be whether the watch is real or not. It should be getting your money back ASAP!!! You're telling us you agreed upon a deal without authenticating a watch from a dealer and without ANY sort of documents, boxes, etc... mind you and you had no final sales price?? That's not BUYING a watch, its more like renting/leasing a watch where there's no final price. Lastly, I thought this guy was a watchmaker. I'm sure he knew there was an issue with the watch movement and took the gamble that you would never ask what exactly he meant by minor maintenance. He also probably knew you would need to get it fixed sooner or later and by selling this watch to you, he could profit some more by helping you fix it. One question is, if you found out the movement is a shipwreck, would you have purchased this watch??

I don't think any of us here are to bust your balls but rather we're more afraid than you are...and that's a problem. I would be more concerned especially if you are holding a dead watch and you know you don't have the funds to fix it. I hope all goes well and you find a resolution soon!! Good luck to you Victor!!!

vitix · 17 February 2010, 11:30 PM

Guys, the watchmaker gave me the money back... i told him to hold the daytona until he gets the replacements parts or what ever he needs... also if he get it fix he will let me take it to the AD before i made the purchase....

i'm daytona less

OrchidDR · 17 February 2010, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by vitix

Guys, the watchmaker gave me the money back... i told him to hold the daytona until he gets the replacements parts or what ever he needs... also if he get it fix he will let me take it to the AD before i made the purchase....

i'm daytona less

Victor that is AWESOME news! Congrats and you'll be happy in the long run, I'm sure of it!

1Gunner · 17 February 2010, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by vitix

i'm daytona less

By all accounts you never had one to begin with......

Be positive....at least you got your money back!!

Eli · 18 February 2010, 12:01 AM

Thank God this is over. Good for you!

15 February 2010, 06:06 AM	#31
vitix Banned Join Date: May 2009 Real Name: magneeleVE Location: Usa Watch: magneeleVE Posts: 2,030	an Update Guys, i talked with the watchmaker, the problem now is the Movement... it has something broken and thats why it stoped, he told me that it has ine of the princiopal gears broken, the name he said was "Ancora" its in spanish and i dont have the word of the piece in english, he said he does not have a replacement piece and this could take a long time unless i get it somewhere else.... i know this is expencive and i cant afford it right now... i miss my watch and i now i know it would be a long time when get to put it on my wrist again....

15 February 2010, 11:10 PM	#36
sunburst "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Joji Location: KY, So. Cal., NJ Watch: 16800 Posts: 979	I hope you least have the record of monetary transaction (i.e. receipt). __________________ Rolex Sub 16800 Rolex No Date Sub 114060 Omega Speedmaster Professional Sinn 356 Flieger II, Sinn 556, Sinn ST-140 Marathon SAR, Marathon GSAR

16 February 2010, 06:51 AM	#46
JRA21 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Joshua R Asch Location: NY, Brooklyn Watch: Sub Posts: 293	Victor do your self a favor and get your money and watches back. There is something wrong with this deal and the bigest red flag is NO FINAL SALE PRICE ??? Get your stuff back ASAP. __________________ *JRA*

16 February 2010, 08:25 AM	#47
SDDS "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Real Name: Yazan Location: Canada Posts: 4,782	congratulations Victor u finally made it..ur GRAIL watch __________________ Patek Philippe 5167 Patek Philippe 5905P black dial Rolex Deepsea 116660 M series Rolex Oysterquartz 17000 N series Rolex OP 41MM 124300 Green Dial

15 February 2010, 06:30 AM	#32
fleabag "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: UK Posts: 1,212	Sorry to hear this Victor,hope it gets sorted out mate, Jamie & Rachel (UK)

15 February 2010, 06:41 AM	#33
Zirotti "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Jason Location: Tejas Watch: Invicta Posts: 1,066	This whole thing sounds fishy to me. Now this guy has the watch he "sold" you, your $2500 and your other watches. Why not just get everything back and save money until you can afford a Daytona from a reputable dealer? There are just too many things not right here.

15 February 2010, 12:45 PM	#35
aaronr "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Aaron Location: Indiana Watch: 16200 DJ & 116710 Posts: 127	I'd say you can see how legit the deal is by trying to back out and judging the reaction.

15 February 2010, 11:23 PM	#37
nauticajoe "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Joe Location: PA Posts: 14,774	I agree....a 2nd opinion would be prudent. You'll sleep better.

16 February 2010, 05:20 AM	#39
jnmarshall "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: DFW Posts: 364	From the sounds of it, I would definitely have a service center look at it. They will "estimate" it for free and tell you if anything doesn't belong. Also as to times for repair and/or service, you mentioned it was taking like 3 weeks. That's not so unreal. The shortest estimated time I ever got was 4 weeks. I've learned that 4 weeks or more for anything non-surface or external cosmetics related is pretty common and reasonable for the job to be done right. What I might be fishy about is if he is taking peices from yours and building another watch. It seems a common practice from many used/resellers.

16 February 2010, 06:44 PM	#49
SS Oyster 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: USA Posts: 9,202	It's a rip-off, get out now. Go in and demand your deposit back as well as your other two watches. Hopefully, this guy who spotted you a WG Daytona for $2500 isn't also telling you your SubDate is only worth part of $500. Best of luck ... you're gonna need it I'm afraid.

17 February 2010, 08:06 AM	#52
dardeca 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: US Watch: Rolex, Patek Posts: 2,474	I can look at that picture and how the bracelet meets the case and tell you with 100% certainty that the watch is not an authentic Rolex WG Daytona. It could still potentially be an authentic SS Daytona...but a WG Daytona it is not. It's hard to describe, but in short, the WG bracelet does not curve at the same angle as the lugs when it approaches the first full link in the bracelet. As a result, the WG bracelet actually protrudes (or bubbles out) a little higher than the lugs as it curves away from the dial.

17 February 2010, 11:30 PM	#54
vitix Banned Join Date: May 2009 Real Name: magneeleVE Location: Usa Watch: magneeleVE Posts: 2,030	Guys, the watchmaker gave me the money back... i told him to hold the daytona until he gets the replacements parts or what ever he needs... also if he get it fix he will let me take it to the AD before i made the purchase.... i'm daytona less

18 February 2010, 12:01 AM	#57
Eli Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: montreal Posts: 459	Thank God this is over. Good for you!

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