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Old 28 September 2012, 03:00 AM   #1
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Vote: hot watch 10 yrs from now, 422 or 372?

The collectable/grail 10 years from now, 422 or 372?
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Old 28 September 2012, 03:24 AM   #2
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Neither, both will be surpassed by the newest hot thing. Probably 55+ mm at that point.
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Old 28 September 2012, 03:49 AM   #3
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Neither, both will be surpassed by the newest hot thing. Probably 55+ mm at that point.
My answer: http://www.chrono24.com/en/panerai/v...-id1774109.htm
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Old 28 September 2012, 04:24 AM   #4
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10 years from now the vintage appeal on the 372 is going to be ridiculously COOL.

Value/collectability…I don’t care.
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Old 28 September 2012, 05:16 AM   #5
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10 years from now the vintage appeal on the 372 is going to be ridiculously COOL.

Value/collectability…I don’t care.
COOL as in it being "a pretty cool watch in demand" or cool as in lukewarm response?
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Old 28 September 2012, 06:24 AM   #6
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372 looks to be a regular production reference so doubtful it will be highly collectible.
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Old 28 September 2012, 06:32 AM   #7
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Neither will be collectible or grails since they're in normal production. There are some other modern PAM's I would think will be though.
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I'll play.....the 372!


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Old 28 September 2012, 07:10 AM   #9
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Won't happen again. The likelihood of finding another Rolex movement in any modern production Panerai is pretty much zilch.
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Old 28 September 2012, 07:18 AM   #10
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Neither will be collectible or grails since they're in normal production. There are some other modern PAM's I would think will be though.
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Old 28 September 2012, 07:35 AM   #11
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10 years from now............. honestly i don't know. it's all depend on what you think and like. "beauty is in the eye of the beholder".
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Old 28 September 2012, 08:19 AM   #12
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Probably neither.

I'd look at the watches which have anything other than the ETA movements or their derivatives. Always desirable and in limited quantities.

Remember, the only reason Panerai developed inhouse movements was having ETA demand their supply of movements be recognised.
ETA is Swatch Group, Panerai is Richemont.

But I digress.

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Old 28 September 2012, 08:47 AM   #13
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They are both beautifully done modern interpretations of classic Panerai styles. With its growing popularity over the last decade or so, Panerai seems to use these two dial layouts a lot as they harken back to vintage and collectible models.

I love them both but I doubt either will be a grail watch as you will have hundreds of different versions of these two watches, in all sizes, case styles, dial colors and models, over the next 10 years.
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Old 28 September 2012, 09:54 AM   #14
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Pam 372

Collectors have been begging Panerai to create the 47 mm base with plexiglass.

Too bad they made 6000... so far. If they had made it a special edition, it would have been one for the ages.

Call me crazy, I still like the Fiddy.

Thanks for letting me voice my opinion.

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Old 28 September 2012, 10:01 AM   #15
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Neither will be a "Grail" but the 372 will still be a very cool looking!
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Old 28 September 2012, 10:13 AM   #16
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Collectors have been begging Panerai to create the 47 mm base with plexiglass.

Too bad they made 6000... so far. If they had made it a special edition, it would have been one for the ages.

Call me crazy, I still like the Fiddy.

Thanks for letting me voice my opinion.

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Good call Bruce, the "fiddy" seems to fit the bill of exclusive, desirable and sought after.
The 190 fits into this groove too.

As you mentioned, too many of a good thing spoils the future potential.
Personally, I like the "now" of it all and who knows what I'll still like in 10 years time.

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Old 28 September 2012, 10:19 AM   #17
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For me, the 372 is perfection. I don't care if they make 6 or 6 million of them, if a watch is good, it's good. Who knows what will be popular or desirable in 10 years. I really don't care. I do know that I love the hell out of my 372.
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Old 28 September 2012, 11:16 AM   #18
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I love them both, but if I were out to "collect", I'd go for this year's 449 SE SLC followed by the 448 SE Cali...
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Old 28 September 2012, 11:37 AM   #19
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372 wins over 422

between the 2 models, 372 base .... wins over 422
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Old 28 September 2012, 12:07 PM   #20
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Collectors have been begging Panerai to create the 47 mm base with plexiglass.

Too bad they made 6000... so far. If they had made it a special edition, it would have been one for the ages.

Call me crazy, I still like the Fiddy.

Thanks for letting me voice my opinion.

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Yup. Everyone wanted a base 47mm Luminor, but no one expected it to be a regular production. A great watch and nice for people who want to wear a great watch without worry about harming it. Bad if you expected it to be a 127/217.

I do love the look of the 217, just wish I had he wrist to pull it off.
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Old 28 September 2012, 01:10 PM   #22
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I bought my 422 not because I expect its value to go up, I bought it just because i think it looks so damn good! Buy what screams out to you, don't buy speculating values but ending up with a watch you don't really like..
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Old 28 September 2012, 01:36 PM   #23
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I think Officine Panerai is very hit miss with their watches recently. in some models, they're looking too busy and losing their identity.

my 112G is the watch that i cant wait to become vintage.

the 372, 127 look good but very big.
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Old 28 September 2012, 03:11 PM   #24
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372 will still be a classic in the future. Just because it is a regular production piece, will not devalue it in the future.

Eventually, like all other regular production PAMs it will be discontinued and probably gain eve more popularity.
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Probably neither.

I'd look at the watches which have anything other than the ETA movements or their derivatives. Always desirable and in limited quantities.

Remember, the only reason Panerai developed inhouse movements was having ETA demand their supply of movements be recognised.
ETA is Swatch Group, Panerai is Richemont.

But I digress.

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Not exactly so! Richemont bought JLC with the ability to develop and build in-house movements in mind. All the new PAM movements are actually designed and built by JLC, and since they are technically the same company, they call them "manufacture".
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Old 30 September 2012, 03:53 AM   #26
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I bought my 422 not because I expect its value to go up, I bought it just because i think it looks so damn good! Buy what screams out to you, don't buy speculating values but ending up with a watch you don't really like..
The value I was looking for when I bought the 372 is historical, not financial. U r absolutely right. But some watches you could very well buy to speculate on. But ofcourse you must know your thing!
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Old 30 September 2012, 03:59 AM   #27
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The collectable/grail 10 years from now, 422 or 372?
My opinion; it depends less on the watch, & more on what someone does wearing it. If you can wear one of them to Mars or somesuch, then it'll be collectible.
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Not exactly so! Richemont bought JLC with the ability to develop and build in-house movements in mind. All the new PAM movements are actually designed and built by JLC, and since they are technically the same company, they call them "manufacture".
So the new P3000, 3001, 9000, etc are designed and built inside JLC and delivered ready by them to OP??
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Old 30 September 2012, 05:03 AM   #29
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So the new P3000, 3001, 9000, etc are designed and built inside JLC and delivered ready by them to OP??
OP movements are manufactured within OP walls by OP personnel based on everything I have read & seen (production tour vids).
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